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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 6th month 30, 2020. 4 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Freedom from the Reflective Nature in human relations. Being born into a different faculty.

The faculty of direct awareness of the impulse of Jesus Christ in the conscience.Freedom from the Reflective Nature in human relations. A Testimony from a WitnessThere is a different faculty of human relations which is not of the nature of reflective thought. This faculty is the direct awareness of the intensity of the inshining spirit of Jesus Christ. This impulse manifests as dilating and contracting during interaction with others to guide human relations.The spirit of Jesus Christ within me…See More
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Early Quaker William Rogers and Gospel Order

At some time around the middle or end of the 1640s, some of the Children of Light, who came to be called Quakers, gathered together. The Quaker gathering experienced a disaffection between one another a decade later. Some were lead to engage in the reflective nature by establishing various outward formalities as incumbent upon all members to practice and perform. Some of those in the gathering who (for conscience sake) were guided and informed in the practice of these formalities, like…See More
3rd month 28
Keith Saylor commented on Wim Nusselder's blog post 'SECULARIZATION FOR THE SAKE OF RELIGION perspectives from a secularized corner of the globe'
"...my expression of (unmediated as well as mediated)  Wim, Your question and concern is legitimate and warranted. My testimony to the witness of being drawn  out of the reflective nature to guide and inform human relations inevitably and…"
3rd month 25
Keith Saylor commented on Wim Nusselder's blog post 'SECULARIZATION FOR THE SAKE OF RELIGION perspectives from a secularized corner of the globe'
"Wim, Your observation that I think we need both reflection and direct inspiration is significant to me. Equally as significant is your question prefaced by the observation that: I employ both 'reflective languages'…"
3rd month 25
Keith Saylor commented on Wim Nusselder's blog post 'SECULARIZATION FOR THE SAKE OF RELIGION perspectives from a secularized corner of the globe'
"Wim, Through the eternal power and presence of the immanent spirit of Jesus Christ in my conscience, it is discovered to me a different way than (and brought me off) the reflective process to guide and inform human relations and interactions. Jesus…"
3rd month 23
Keith Saylor replied to Coleen Love's discussion 'Standing up for the Word of God'
""Yet, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,  neither height nor…"
3rd month 23
Keith Saylor replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"Christ's living appearance within me has drawn me out of the reflective nature and the process of conceptualization and into the Spirit's living immanent presence itself in itself. This motion of immanent presence is discovered (and is…"
2nd month 26
Keith Saylor replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"Hello Thomas, Through the immanent appearance of eternal life itself inshining upon me, I am drawn out of the process of the reflective nature and conceptualization in relation to and correspondence with eternal Being or Life. Direct, unmediated, or…"
2nd month 26
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The Christonomous Life: Beyond individualism or Communalism

There is a way of being or consciousness that experiences the appearance of self-evident and self-sustaining (eternal) life, and through this experience, the awareness of the fluxation in this immanent presence in the conscience manifests a different faculty which regulates and guides human relations and interactions in daily activities . This intuitive faculty manifests as awareness of a fluctuation in the intensity of Life itself in a given circumstance or interaction. For example, an…See More
2nd month 7
Keith Saylor commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"I forgot to add, Whittier's reference to Mezentius and his struggle with Turnus in the Aeneid by Virgil is very powerful."
12th month 29, 2020
Keith Saylor commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Whittier, in his 1833 Justice and Prejudice, writes: "Far be it from me to cast new bitterness into the gall and wormwood waters of sectional prejudice. No; I desire peace, the peace of universal love, of catholic sympathy, the peace…"
12th month 29, 2020
Keith Saylor commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Hello Rainer, Thank you for pointing to In War Time. I've read it a couple times now. Need to read more. Here is a sample for those interested Anniversary Poem [Read before the Alumni of the Friends' Yearly Meeting School, at the Annual…"
12th month 26, 2020
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William Salt - an early Quaker drawn out of the reflective nature and contention and strife.

Many people have asked me in the past which early Quaker I most sense a fellowship. Their question was difficult for me to answer. I could name names, however, I was compelled to add numerous qualifications. Generally, I would say John Perrot, and then add qualifications. William Salt is an early Quaker with whom I sense a deep and abiding fellowship without qualification. My research so far suggests he first shows up as a companion of George Fox in their endeavors to spread the news of the…See More
12th month 11, 2020
Keith Saylor replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Hello William, Thank you for that important correction. The specific quote that prompted my original question is: It seems to me that nontheist folks and theists operate in different "ballparks" and there is little point in trying to play…"
12th month 3, 2020
Keith Saylor replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Hello William, When you reflect upon another another person as atheist, how are you using that term? Who you define the meaning you place in the term atheist?"
12th month 3, 2020
Keith Saylor replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Awareness of the impulse and self-evident presence of the spirit of Christ in the conscience has led people to testify to the witness of being drawn out of the reflective nature and the need for outward forms like scriptures, meeting houses, or…"
12th month 2, 2020

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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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Freedom from the Reflective Nature in human relations. Being born into a different faculty.

Posted on 4th mo. 15, 2021 at 6:20pm 2 Comments

The faculty of direct awareness of the impulse of Jesus Christ in the conscience.

Freedom from the Reflective Nature in human relations.

A Testimony from a Witness

There is a different faculty of human relations which is not of the nature of reflective thought. This faculty is the direct awareness of the intensity of the inshining spirit of Jesus Christ. This impulse manifests as dilating and contracting during…

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Early Quaker William Rogers and Gospel Order

Posted on 3rd mo. 28, 2021 at 9:00am 0 Comments

At some time around the middle or end of the 1640s, some of the Children of Light, who came to be called Quakers, gathered together. The Quaker gathering experienced a disaffection between one another a decade later. Some were lead to engage in the reflective nature by establishing various outward formalities as incumbent upon all members to practice and perform. Some of those in the gathering who (for conscience sake) were guided and informed in the practice of these formalities, like…

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The Christonomous Life: Beyond individualism or Communalism

Posted on 2nd mo. 7, 2021 at 11:00am 0 Comments

There is a way of being or consciousness that experiences the appearance of self-evident and self-sustaining (eternal) life, and through this experience, the awareness of the fluxation in this immanent presence in the conscience manifests a different faculty which regulates and guides human relations and interactions in daily activities . This intuitive faculty manifests as awareness of a fluctuation in the intensity of Life itself in a given circumstance or interaction. For example, an…

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William Salt - an early Quaker drawn out of the reflective nature and contention and strife.

Posted on 12th mo. 11, 2020 at 10:48am 0 Comments

Many people have asked me in the past which early Quaker I most sense a fellowship. Their question was difficult for me to answer. I could name names, however, I was compelled to add numerous qualifications. Generally, I would say John Perrot, and then add qualifications. William Salt is an early Quaker with whom I sense a deep and abiding fellowship without qualification. My research so far suggests he first shows up as a companion of George Fox in their endeavors to spread the news of the…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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