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Kirby Urner commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"The research I've done suggests many middle class antebellum Quakers were annoyed by abolitionists, who before the Civil War were called "immediatists". They wanted some immediate solution.Many meetings considered immediatists to be a…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"I forgot to add, Whittier's reference to Mezentius and his struggle with Turnus in the Aeneid by Virgil is very powerful."
12th month 29, 2020
Keith Saylor commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Whittier, in his 1833 Justice and Prejudice, writes: "Far be it from me to cast new bitterness into the gall and wormwood waters of sectional prejudice. No; I desire peace, the peace of universal love, of catholic sympathy, the peace…"
12th month 29, 2020
Forrest Curo commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"We don't get wars because God wants to harm us, but because the way we are still leads to harm of some kind, and war is sometimes the harm that results. William Stringfellow said that the end of the US war against Vietnam would not diminish the…"
12th month 29, 2020
Rainer Möller commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Many thanks to you, Keith Saylor As for the poem, it poses a lot of questions: Was "Newport" the town in Rhode Island? Then what exactly is meant with the "pain" and "suffer" announced here? No pain of persecution, I…"
12th month 28, 2020
Keith Saylor commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Hello Rainer, Thank you for pointing to In War Time. I've read it a couple times now. Need to read more. Here is a sample for those interested Anniversary Poem [Read before the Alumni of the Friends' Yearly Meeting School, at the Annual…"
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William F Rushby liked Rainer Möller's blog post Quakers unto the Civil War
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Forrest Curo commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Basically we tend to be as evil in what we think to be a good cause as other churches. It isn't as easy a decision as you seem to imagine. "Are they going to read me out of Meeting? -- Will they let me back in later?" aren't…"
12th month 22, 2020
Rainer Möller commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Hello Forrest, technically it is of course possible to disown people as long as they take part in a war and then readmit them afterwards. On the other hand: Was this a singular practice w.r.t. the civil war or has it been a more general practice in…"
12th month 22, 2020
Forrest Curo commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"As I understand it, a lot of young men -- being young men -- went off eagerly to join in a battle against evil.  They were, of course, disowned by their Meetings. After finding out what battles-against-evil are all about, and eventually…"
11th month 29, 2020
Rainer Möller commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"As Wikipedia tells us, Whittier wrote a book "In War Time" 1864. Has anyone here read it? It ought to be interesting."
11th month 29, 2020
Rainer Möller left a comment for William F Rushby
"Hi William, thanks for the reminder of Wikipedia. They don't tell us much, but I see that Whittier wrote a book "In war time" (1864) which should be informative.  As for the place between Quakers and Mennonites, we have probably…"
11th month 29, 2020
William F Rushby left a comment for Rainer Möller
"Rainer |Moller describes himself as "Not literal enough to a good Anabaptist. Not liberal enough to be a good Quaker." I too find myself part-Anabaptist and part-Quaker, but "literal" and "liberal" are not terms I would…"
11th month 29, 2020
William F Rushby commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
""Does someone know how Whittier developed from that point onwards? I cannot think that he supported the war atrocities of the next years." Rainer Moller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Greenleaf_Whittier"
11th month 29, 2020
Rainer Möller commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Adding up. My first irritation with Quakerism came at a European meeting, American Friends included, who then induced the whole meeting to sing "John Brown's body" fullheartedly. I was perhaps the only one who knew that this was an…"
11th month 29, 2020
Rainer Möller posted a blog post

Quakers unto the Civil War

My personal impression is that Quakers, like all abolitionists, enthusiastically took part in the mental preparation of the Civil War. But when the War came they were perplexed and most of them opted out of it. But this abrupt change of  view couldn't work well, indeed a third of the young men joined Lincoln's army. On the other hand, Quakers were rigorous enough to disown those young men and thus lost a lot of their followers.Is this historically correct?What would it mean for actual politics…See More
10th month 19, 2020

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Quakers unto the Civil War

Posted on 10th mo. 19, 2020 at 7:40am 12 Comments

My personal impression is that Quakers, like all abolitionists, enthusiastically took part in the mental preparation of the Civil War. But when the War came they were perplexed and most of them opted out of it. But this abrupt change of  view couldn't work well, indeed a third of the young men joined Lincoln's army. On the other hand, Quakers were rigorous enough to disown those young men and thus lost a lot of their followers.

Is this historically correct?

What would it mean…

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THE EMR Initiative - Bolshevism

Posted on 3rd mo. 17, 2019 at 4:48am 1 Comment

Communism is the name of a Party. Socialism is a certain economical policy (which, in its more radical variants, may be naive and preposterous, but not immoral in itself). The real problem we have to speak about is Bolshevism.

Bolshevism – as different from Communism and Socialism - is a political strategy which is grounded in certain assumptions about reality. It is neither restrained to a…

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The E.Merrill Root Initiative

Posted on 3rd mo. 16, 2019 at 8:30am 0 Comments

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A rightwing Quaker is hard to find.

"Conservative" Quaker means normally that you are a traditionalist in all matters of religion and personal conduct, but not politically. To their honor, a lot of Quakers have been "Libertarians" when this kind of political ideology was fashionable, but where have they gone?

So let's speak about the Left and the Right. These are the names of conflict parties, not of general concepts, and conflict parties can change their…

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At 10:38am on 11th mo. 29, 2020, William F Rushby said…

Rainer |Moller describes himself as "Not literal enough to a good Anabaptist. Not liberal enough to be a good Quaker."

I too find myself part-Anabaptist and part-Quaker, but "literal" and "liberal" are not terms I would use to capture the difference!

 
 
 

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