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What is Primitive Christianity?

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I gather from studying the thinking of others at this website, that we're encouraged to share our vision of Quakerism going forward, and in particular to address the topic of a Quaker revival.  What…Continue

Quakerism 2020 in some Neck of the Woods

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I'm using science fiction to forecast what a Meeting might come to, by way of Faith & Practice.The regional F&P is open source on Github however our meeting maintains a fork, its…Continue

Regarding Pronouns

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kirby Urner 5th month 8. 3 Replies

I pay a lot of attention to pronoun use. People often say "our nuclear weapons" and/or "what we did in Vietnam". I don't have any nuclear weapons, nor do my friends.When I spend lots of time/energy…Continue

Memo on Facebook (RSoF page)

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I understand AFSC's support of BDS. However Quakers are super interested in the issue of forced conscription and the right of conscientious objection. A super logical alliance would be with orthodox…Continue

 

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What is Primitive Christianity?

I gather from studying the thinking of others at this website, that we're encouraged to share our vision of Quakerism going forward, and in particular to address the topic of a Quaker revival.  What might that look like?In my view, the practice of Quakerism is ideally a whole lifestyle, with cradle to grave aspects, not unlike Amish in this regard, but minus the prohibitions against using technology.  Perhaps this ideal is unattainable, but it's the focus of my science fiction…See More
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Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'No Quakers, Only Quakerism'
"I recognize other reasons for institutional email addresses e.g. clerk@multnomahmeeting.org -- there's no easy way for people far from the action to keep track of who's who.  So I might email an institutional address and then see if I…"
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Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.'
"More context needed.  A perfect stranger?  Mentally ill?"
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Kirby Urner replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'The Earliest Quakers and liberal Quakerism' in the group Liberal Quakers
"What happened in 1828 again?  Was that when Hicksites forked off from Gurneyites? Ah yes, I see that's the date: http://quakerinfo.org/quakerism/branches/history  But it was Orthodox versus Hicksite, and then further branching. I…"
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Friendly Infrastructure: Two Exhibits

[ EXHIBIT 1: Recent posting to npym-it-discuss, a listserv for those in NPYM interesting in yakking about matters IT ]09/05/2018 (17 days ago) https://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2018-August/012012.html This is a link to a publicly archived listserv (intentional spelling, allusion to brand Listserv, which then became a generic, like kleenex and xerox). I'm presenting the use…See More
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Regarding the Gospel of Judas (a film documentary)

In case you don't have time to watch the movie, or can't get your hands on a copy, the National Geographic documentary about the Gospel of Judas is pretty interesting. Yes, National Geographic was a sponsor of the project, as if it turned out this was an authentic document, then kudos would accrue to the documentary makers.  For sure this whole operation would need to be memorialized using state of the art film techniques.  One doesn't mess with such heritage without making highly detailed…See More
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Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Quakerism and Charter Schools'
"https://medium.com/@kirbyurner/back-to-school-3d9fa8218b57 Easy to find this posting via Google:  quakerquaker gulen"
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Quakerism 2020 in some Neck of the Woods

I'm using science fiction to forecast what a Meeting might come to, by way of Faith & Practice.The regional F&P is open source on Github however our meeting maintains a fork, its modifications possibly to be merged with Regional but that's not a given.  We've modified our Social Contracts chapter.Social ContractsWhat the Meeting agrees to take under its care, regarding Social Contracts, is a matter for Clearness Committees arranged by Oversight, which gets back the summary report and…See More
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Kirby Urner commented on Kirby Urner's blog post 'Portland-Shiraz Sister Cities Project'
"http://wikieducator.org/Digital_MathI've put a lot of materials on Wikieducator, a project based in New Zealand.  Evading US-based censorship was not on my mind at the time, however I've since discovered that US public school…"
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Portland-Shiraz Sister Cities Project

The Unitarians are more at the forefront than Friends on this initiative, however we had a number of Quakers at the Iran Forum where this proposal was floated, receiving much interest and applause. I'll give a link in the comments to my journal entry on our meeting.  Portland is already sister cities with a lot of others, like Chicago is, including Sapporo (Japan) and Ashkelon (Israel).Given my connections to higher education, I'm especially keen to share Silicon Forest curriculum writing with…See More
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Kirby Urner commented on Kirby Urner's blog post 'Of Plain Speech & Post-nationalism'
"Given my Friendly testimony against outward weapons as a means to an end ("no way to peace, peace is the way" talk), it stands to reason I'd have a problem being a member of any "we" with nuke weapons. The pronoun…"
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Friendly Infrastructure: Two Exhibits

Posted on 9th mo. 22, 2018 at 10:57pm 3 Comments

[ EXHIBIT 1: Recent posting to npym-it-discuss, a listserv for those in NPYM interesting in yakking about matters IT ]

09/05/2018 (17 days ago)



https://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2018-August/012012.html



This is a link to a publicly archived listserv (intentional spelling, allusion to brand Listserv, which then became a generic, like…
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Regarding the Gospel of Judas (a film documentary)

Posted on 8th mo. 27, 2018 at 5:07pm 0 Comments

In case you don't have time to watch the movie, or can't get your hands on a copy, the National Geographic documentary about the Gospel of Judas is pretty interesting.



Yes, National Geographic was a sponsor of the project, as if it turned out this was an authentic document, then kudos would accrue to the documentary makers.  For sure this whole operation would need to be memorialized using state of the art film techniques.  One doesn't mess…
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Portland-Shiraz Sister Cities Project

Posted on 7th mo. 7, 2018 at 11:30pm 2 Comments

The Unitarians are more at the forefront than Friends on this initiative, however we had a number of Quakers at the Iran Forum where this proposal was floated, receiving much interest and applause. I'll give a link in the comments to my journal entry on our meeting.  Portland is already sister cities with a lot of others, like Chicago is, including Sapporo (Japan) and Ashkelon (Israel).

Given my connections to higher education, I'm especially keen to share Silicon Forest curriculum…

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Of Plain Speech & Post-nationalism

Posted on 5th mo. 14, 2018 at 3:00pm 1 Comment

Stetson + C6XTY

I might bring this up informally with Oversight Committee, like I did with my "Gun Club" Stetson.  "Is this OK?"



By "this" I mean my tendency to refer to nations in the past tense, as a matter of plain…
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At 11:59pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

While I agree with your sentiment to it is not about either/or.

For me, it is an issue of just being honest about the reality. There just are many people, by their own admission and not my characterization, whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by outward forms generally speaking. These people make up the majority of people on this earth. There is also a smaller number of people on this earth whose conscious, generally speaking, is anchored in and whose conscience, generally speaking,  is informed by direct and unmediated inherent self-existence or Presence itself in itself without regard to outward practices, institutions, teachers, leaders, theologies, religions, etc. 

The very nature of the former is to break up into various outward "brands," as you say, while the later has no real issue with outward branding because they do not participate in that way of existence. They profess no outward marks, forms, or practices by which they themselves or others may know them as under the pale of direct and unmediated Presence itself in itself. It is the establishing of outward forms that nurture the manifestation of various brands. Those early Quakers, who followed Foxonian innovation, and eventually turned back again to established outward ways, practices, and traditions, nurtured the manifestation of the various brands that now make up the Quakerism of today that is anchored in and informed by outward forms. 

There has been those from the beginnings of the Children of Light, as there are today, who are not  stakeholders in the establishment and perpetuation of any outward religion, practice, tradition, politic, economy, institutions, etc. so that there is no occasion for branding or disunity amongst those gathered into and governed by direct and unmediated Spirit itself in itself.

Anarchy is the lack of governance. The Children of Light whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by Presence know the direct and unmediated governance of the same Presence itself in itself. 

Thank you, Keith

At 9:22am on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

Recently you wrote:

I'm a Wittgenstein student and don't buy that names point to things, even in the simple case. Words are tools and their use defines them, not some mysterious "pointing". "Language on the one hand, real object on the other" -- that's a simplification that only gets one entangled in confusions.

Mathematics is not metaphorical if it's not trying to be "about" anything beyond itself. Chess, the game, is not really a "metaphor" for a war either, or if it is, it's not a war like we've ever seen. Games have their own integrity. They don't need to be "metaphoric".

Note: Santa and Satan differ only by letter arrangement, like Dog and God.

Your words are compelling and I've spent much time with them. I appreciate your observation that "Games have their own integrity" and I agree. In the same way that equations, theologies, institutions, languages, etc. have their own integrity. The physical world has its own integrity. Ecosystems have their own integrity. Economies have their own integrity. Church frameworks have their own integrity. Idols or icons and similitudes have their own integrity. An idol certainly does not need to point to anything beyond itself and often does not. It has its own integrity. This is the reality of things for many people on this earth and I affirm the truth of it.

With that said, there are others on this earth who re-create (for example, participate in gaming or worship) in the very activity of living itself so that we do not engage in setting aside outward frameworks within which we go about re-creating or worshipping for that matter. While we acknowledge the existence of outward gaming and worship frameworks or platforms, we may not participate in them because we live in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself. Living in the activity of re-creating or worshipping in all moments and circumstance in daily life makes entering into an outwardly established gaming, economic, religious, worship, and political, platforms or frameworks unnecessary. As with many of the founding Quakers (not all), we do not participate in the establishment or setting aside of outward religious institutions and instrumentalities and practices because those outward forms are not relevant to our experience which is established Itself in itself. We participate in the activity of worship and re-creating in every moment of our lives. Our conscious is not anchored in and our conscience is not informed by outward gaming or worshipping frameworks. In the same way,  we do not set aside or participate holy-days because a conscious anchored in and a conscious informed in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself knows a life that is holy in all moments and circumstances. It is just not necessary to set aside outward special days and times of holiness or celebration; even as we acknowledge the "integrity" of those outward holy-days for many people even when those holy-days and the language of those holy-days are not metaphoric in any way.

Thanks you for your words.

Keith

At 6:03pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, it's a little backasswards how this works -- but then we don't end up with all the liter in the same place. I really agree about The Exam; I get Spot Quizzes instead. (I don't always like the way these turn out!)

I did a poem once abt:

'Practice the corpse pose;it will be on The Exam'

but then so are sunsets.

The trouble with "How effective were you as an activist?" is that Jesus would have flunked that one. So maybe it's not such a good question. At best (unless you died of being thumped by a cop) you'd still face a further question: "Yes, but what have you done for Me lately?"

At 5:09pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

I'm liking your last rant over on Keith's piece (where it really is slightly off-topic, alas!)

But (begging the question of whether there is such a thing) I really can't see "How effective were you as an activist?" being among the questions on The Exam.

 
 
 

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What is Primitive Christianity?

I gather from studying the thinking of others at this website, that we're encouraged to share our…See More
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"I recognize other reasons for institutional email addresses e.g. clerk@multnomahmeeting.org --…"
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"More context needed.  A perfect stranger?  Mentally ill?"
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"What happened in 1828 again?  Was that when Hicksites forked off from Gurneyites? Ah yes, I…"
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