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Exhibit: some Friends discussing Racism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kirby Urner 1st month 2. 1 Reply

From: kirby urner <kirby.urner@gmail.com>Date: Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:49 AMSubject: Re: [MFM - Friends for Racial Justice] The Inner Work of Racial JusticeTo: Racial Justice Study and Action…Continue

Ever Retelling Genesis

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Per continuing revelation, God was pissed at humans to the point of aborting the whole experiment, twice in His own words (Holy Scripture).First was the Garden of Eden debacle, wherein Adam & Eve…Continue

Racism: A Lesson Plan

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kirby Urner 7th month 24, 2020. 6 Replies

Critique? Undergoing peer review from Facebook friends:About Racism (a lesson plan) Me: memetic, ethnic, cultural, software Me: genetic, physical, hominid, hardware Memes are not just miniature…Continue

From My Online Journal (re Race)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kirby Urner 6th month 24, 2020. 1 Reply

Once you get to garb and/or language it's looking more and more like ethnicity. Italians aren't a race on the check box forms, but there's still citizenship and/or heritage.The computer game…Continue

 

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Kirby Urner commented on Marcia P Roberts's blog post 'No respector of persons'
"Methinks "mental illness" (vs. "physical illness" -- hard to part them) is underused in Christian discourse, where we tend to prefer the word "sin". Then we get judgemental, as the word "sin" triggers images…"
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Kirby Urner commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"The research I've done suggests many middle class antebellum Quakers were annoyed by abolitionists, who before the Civil War were called "immediatists". They wanted some immediate solution.Many meetings considered immediatists to be a…"
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Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Exhibit: some Friends discussing Racism'
"Me on Facebook, Jan 2, 2021https://www.facebook.com/thekirbster/posts/10158433450767012:43 Countering racism by undermining the very concept of "race" is something you'd think the postmodernists would embrace, what with their famous…"
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Exhibit: some Friends discussing Racism

From: kirby urner <kirby.urner@gmail.com>Date: Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:49 AMSubject: Re: [MFM - Friends for Racial Justice] The Inner Work of Racial JusticeTo: Racial Justice Study and Action GroupI liked the Rhonda Magee recording.As an expat, I got a lot out of Tiffany's story. She was raisedto identify as Japanese, then brought back to America byher missionary parents so she could learn about Americanracism and therefore be more bicultural:…See More
12th month 15, 2020
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Like a Bible Story

Per continuing revelation, God was pissed at humans to the point of aborting the whole experiment, twice in His own words (Holy Scripture).First was the Garden of Eden debacle, wherein Adam & Eve discovered moralizing and started to argue endlessly, losing their innocence and happiness forever, but building their vocabularies (using their words more and more) and developing mental powers almost up to snake level (much higher than ape).By the next generation of Cain & Abel, the humans…See More
11th month 17, 2020
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Sam Hill's Quaker Legacy

Although Sam Hill's attempt to found a agricultural community of Friends was unsuccessful, his life achievements place him in the pantheon of great Americans...
10th month 9, 2020
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"The Industry Industry Missed" (A Meme)

School of Tomorrow. Dymaxion House thread. American Transcendentalism, from Emerson to Bucky Fuller. Heuristics for Teachers (Fall 2020)
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9th month 21, 2020
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New England Transcendentalism: Bringing It Forward

The history of American literature includes the philosophy, and futurism, of R. Buckminster Fuller. Given our historical framework, let's give that philosoph...
9th month 20, 2020
Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Racism: A Lesson Plan'
"I appreciate your taking an interest, William, and yes, that's right. Ancient Mithraism was seen as a rival of the younger Christianity, presumably in high places.One story is Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official imperial religion…"
7th month 24, 2020
William F Rushby replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Racism: A Lesson Plan'
7th month 24, 2020
Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Racism: A Lesson Plan'
"Indeed, in other threads I have taken up the primitive Mithraic roots of Christianity and by extension Friends. Mitra means Friend. Quakers mean business.  Merry Christmas in July! Given I'm becoming so expert in the primitive roots of…"
7th month 23, 2020
William F Rushby replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Racism: A Lesson Plan'
"Kirby wrote: " How about we talk about racism outside America sometimes." And I reply: How about we talk about "Primitive Christianity Revived sometime?  I understood that that is the central narrative of QuakerQuaker!"
7th month 23, 2020
Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Racism: A Lesson Plan'
"Marcia, thanks for your interesting comments. Observations of our chimp cousins by Jane Goodall et al suggests a lot of our behavior is recognizably primate. I have respect for our branches in the hominid family, more about which we're learning…"
7th month 23, 2020
Marcia P Roberts replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Racism: A Lesson Plan'
"Seems doable. Tracing sexism and homophobia can be similarly tracked through scripture. I am not sure about the human need to "fear" the "other." Is that endemic to our species, or others as well? Inter species breeding produces…"
7th month 21, 2020
Kirby Urner posted a discussion

Racism: A Lesson Plan

Critique? Undergoing peer review from Facebook friends:About Racism (a lesson plan) Me: memetic, ethnic, cultural, software Me: genetic, physical, hominid, hardware Memes are not just miniature billboards on Facebook. I'm stealing from Dawkins ("borrowing") and making memes mean a lot more than commercial jingles or fragments from films. Memes comprise the "daydream" of what one muses about, considers. Memes come up in meditation, sometimes from deeper levels than Surface Me. A lot of memes…See More
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A Patriotic Speech

Posted on 7th mo. 9, 2019 at 12:03pm 0 Comments


I mention my Quaker ethnicity in this one. I'm sharing my sense of history. 

For related videos, see my School of Tomorrow playlist.

A Sermon On Racism

Posted on 7th mo. 7, 2019 at 8:43pm 0 Comments

I find this "sermon" somewhat comical, and coming from the unprogrammed side, that's not an unusual attitude, since we don't do sermons that much (as a genre), nor even recognize "recorded ministers" all that much (some of us do). 

Nevertheless, I dive into the Bible from my own Quaker perspective, discussing the concept of races, which probably has something to do with racism as well.

[ I also sound like I have a cold, which I probably do.  My voice varies over my corpus of…

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Journaling a Departure

Posted on 6th mo. 16, 2019 at 6:53am 9 Comments

The Religious Society of Friends group on Facebook is very quiet on the subject of impending war with Iran. That's a kind of silence I don't want to be around.  I left the group.  Not enough authentic Quakerism for my taste.

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At 11:59pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

While I agree with your sentiment to it is not about either/or.

For me, it is an issue of just being honest about the reality. There just are many people, by their own admission and not my characterization, whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by outward forms generally speaking. These people make up the majority of people on this earth. There is also a smaller number of people on this earth whose conscious, generally speaking, is anchored in and whose conscience, generally speaking,  is informed by direct and unmediated inherent self-existence or Presence itself in itself without regard to outward practices, institutions, teachers, leaders, theologies, religions, etc. 

The very nature of the former is to break up into various outward "brands," as you say, while the later has no real issue with outward branding because they do not participate in that way of existence. They profess no outward marks, forms, or practices by which they themselves or others may know them as under the pale of direct and unmediated Presence itself in itself. It is the establishing of outward forms that nurture the manifestation of various brands. Those early Quakers, who followed Foxonian innovation, and eventually turned back again to established outward ways, practices, and traditions, nurtured the manifestation of the various brands that now make up the Quakerism of today that is anchored in and informed by outward forms. 

There has been those from the beginnings of the Children of Light, as there are today, who are not  stakeholders in the establishment and perpetuation of any outward religion, practice, tradition, politic, economy, institutions, etc. so that there is no occasion for branding or disunity amongst those gathered into and governed by direct and unmediated Spirit itself in itself.

Anarchy is the lack of governance. The Children of Light whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by Presence know the direct and unmediated governance of the same Presence itself in itself. 

Thank you, Keith

At 9:22am on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

Recently you wrote:

I'm a Wittgenstein student and don't buy that names point to things, even in the simple case. Words are tools and their use defines them, not some mysterious "pointing". "Language on the one hand, real object on the other" -- that's a simplification that only gets one entangled in confusions.

Mathematics is not metaphorical if it's not trying to be "about" anything beyond itself. Chess, the game, is not really a "metaphor" for a war either, or if it is, it's not a war like we've ever seen. Games have their own integrity. They don't need to be "metaphoric".

Note: Santa and Satan differ only by letter arrangement, like Dog and God.

Your words are compelling and I've spent much time with them. I appreciate your observation that "Games have their own integrity" and I agree. In the same way that equations, theologies, institutions, languages, etc. have their own integrity. The physical world has its own integrity. Ecosystems have their own integrity. Economies have their own integrity. Church frameworks have their own integrity. Idols or icons and similitudes have their own integrity. An idol certainly does not need to point to anything beyond itself and often does not. It has its own integrity. This is the reality of things for many people on this earth and I affirm the truth of it.

With that said, there are others on this earth who re-create (for example, participate in gaming or worship) in the very activity of living itself so that we do not engage in setting aside outward frameworks within which we go about re-creating or worshipping for that matter. While we acknowledge the existence of outward gaming and worship frameworks or platforms, we may not participate in them because we live in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself. Living in the activity of re-creating or worshipping in all moments and circumstance in daily life makes entering into an outwardly established gaming, economic, religious, worship, and political, platforms or frameworks unnecessary. As with many of the founding Quakers (not all), we do not participate in the establishment or setting aside of outward religious institutions and instrumentalities and practices because those outward forms are not relevant to our experience which is established Itself in itself. We participate in the activity of worship and re-creating in every moment of our lives. Our conscious is not anchored in and our conscience is not informed by outward gaming or worshipping frameworks. In the same way,  we do not set aside or participate holy-days because a conscious anchored in and a conscious informed in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself knows a life that is holy in all moments and circumstances. It is just not necessary to set aside outward special days and times of holiness or celebration; even as we acknowledge the "integrity" of those outward holy-days for many people even when those holy-days and the language of those holy-days are not metaphoric in any way.

Thanks you for your words.

Keith

At 6:03pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, it's a little backasswards how this works -- but then we don't end up with all the liter in the same place. I really agree about The Exam; I get Spot Quizzes instead. (I don't always like the way these turn out!)

I did a poem once abt:

'Practice the corpse pose;it will be on The Exam'

but then so are sunsets.

The trouble with "How effective were you as an activist?" is that Jesus would have flunked that one. So maybe it's not such a good question. At best (unless you died of being thumped by a cop) you'd still face a further question: "Yes, but what have you done for Me lately?"

At 5:09pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

I'm liking your last rant over on Keith's piece (where it really is slightly off-topic, alas!)

But (begging the question of whether there is such a thing) I really can't see "How effective were you as an activist?" being among the questions on The Exam.

 
 
 

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