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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

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I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

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I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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When the season of the outward ministration of others is passed and fulfilled in the everliving presence of Christ.

In an article published in The Friends Journal entitled "A Parallel Universe" the author writes:The Spirit works on us to enable us to give something of what we have received to others, to act as a mirror. So it& is that God works not only directly but through human beings, each upon another. Source: https://www.friendsjournal.org/a-parallel-universe/Through the power of the spirit of Christ continuously present in my…See More
5th month 19
Keith Saylor replied to Matthew Callow's discussion '“A general dyet, estates or parliament” for the nations of Europe'
"Matthew, I appreciate the time and effort you put into looking at the texts. I will spend some time working through it. Best, Keith"
5th month 19
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

Living in the primary and sufficient government of the spirit of Christ and being drawn out of the process of reflective thought as primary authority over human relationships and interactions.

People's relationships and interactions are generally mediated through the interplay between feelings, will, perceptions, sensations, and thoughts (the functions of the body). The appearance of the immanent and everliving presence of the spirit of Christ in the conscience sometimes draws people out of the process of being or life that is mediated through the reflective function of the body in matters relating to human interaction; they are come into relationships and interactions being guided…See More
5th month 16
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Hello William, Through the living impulse of the spirit of Christ within me, my heart is tender to your conversation and questions. It has been a long time since I have taken up the writings of Woolman. However, I am opened to working through his…"
5th month 9
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Research Notes: MARIJW, Kershner Notecards and Quotecards Source: Mysticism and Revelation in John Woolman's Theology by John Kershner. URL: https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/qrt/vol125/iss1/6/ In the first paragraph of Kershner's…"
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Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Hello William, This morning, I completed my first reading of the Kershner piece your referenced; Would you mind if I insert some notes here related to my reading of the article?"
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Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Hello William, Thank you for your question. I cannot say what I am about to write will help you better understand my words. I any case, I will make the effort out of gratitude for your query. Woolman writes, in the first sentence if the quotation,…"
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Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"I keep returning to the quote from Woolman and his testimony to his literal experience of the operation of the spirit upon his conscience. I own and embrace his witness as I experience the same continuously in daily life in my relationships and…"
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Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"I appreciate Woolman's actual witness of the way the spirit relates to him and the way he relates to the spirit. It is pivotal that the direct experience of the operation of the spirit was not of the nature of reflective thought. The corrective…"
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Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Hello William, Thank you for sharing Woolman's testimony to his witness of the direct experience of the operation of the Spirit in the conscience. "
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To those who are come into the immanent presence of everlasting self-sustaining being of Christ in their conscience and consciousness.

When a person comes to you with advice on how to think, act, or behave, in a given circumstance ... seek, rest in, and give the prerogative to, the immanent presence of the everlasting, self-sustaining being of Christ in your conscience and consciousness ... Watch!When a governmental or institutional person comes to you suggesting you should give over civil freedom to them for your own protection ... seek, rest in, and give the prerogative to, the immanent presence of everlasting,…See More
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Henry Pickworth and The Spirit's Ancient Operations

Research Notes and Comments: ACOEHI Pickworth, HenryHenry Pickworth and The Spirit's Ancient OperationsIn 1715 a book was published entitled A Charge of Error, Hereſy, Incharity, Falſhood, Evaſion, Inconſiſtency, Innovation, Impoſition, Infidelity, Hypocriſy, Pride, Railery, Apoſtacy, Perjury, Idolatry, Villany, Blasphemy, Abomination, Confusion, and Worſe than Turkish Tyranny. The subtitle reads, Most justly exhibited, and offered to be proved againſt the moſt noted Leaders, &c. of the…See More
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Comfort in Turmoil

The experience of the self-sustaining eternal life of God immanently established in the consciousness, so that self-awareness, identity, meaning, and purpose is established in God's immanent self-sustaining life, is habitation in the coming of the Kingdom of God into human history.Taking up habitation in this different way of being in the world often results in people being drawn out of the process of identification with and participation in outwardly established institutional forms and…See More
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Keith Saylor liked Matt's blog post Benjamin Franklin's role in the withdrawal of Quakers from Pennsylvania politics
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Keith Saylor commented on Matt's blog post 'Benjamin Franklin's role in the withdrawal of Quakers from Pennsylvania politics'
"Thank you Matt, I appreciate this effort."
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Keith Saylor posted a blog post

Being Drawn into the Life itself.

Research Notes: TGMOTGCharles Leslie on page 196 of his 1697 edition of The Snake in the Grass highlights one of George Fox's responses to one of William Thomas' reflections on Quakers. Fox's response can be read in context on page 237 of the 1596 edition of The Great Mystery of the Great Whore which reads in part:The work of the Miniſters of the Goſpel was not to reflect upon perſons, or strike at creatures ...; but they struck at the power which captivated the creature, to the intent that the…See More
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I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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When the season of the outward ministration of others is passed and fulfilled in the everliving presence of Christ.

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In an article published in The Friends Journal entitled "A Parallel Universe" the author writes:

The Spirit works on us to enable us to give something of what we have received to others, to act as a mirror. So it& is that God works not only directly but through human beings, each upon another.

Source: https://www.friendsjournal.org/a-parallel-universe/

Through the power of the spirit of Christ…

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Living in the primary and sufficient government of the spirit of Christ and being drawn out of the process of reflective thought as primary authority over human relationships and interactions.

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People's relationships and interactions are generally mediated through the interplay between feelings, will, perceptions, sensations, and thoughts (the functions of the body). The appearance of the immanent and everliving presence of the spirit of Christ in the conscience sometimes draws people out of the process of being or life that is mediated through the reflective function of the body in matters relating to human interaction; they are come into relationships and interactions being…

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To those who are come into the immanent presence of everlasting self-sustaining being of Christ in their conscience and consciousness.

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When a person comes to you with advice on how to think, act, or behave, in a given circumstance ... seek, rest in, and give the prerogative to, the immanent presence of the everlasting, self-sustaining being of Christ in your conscience and consciousness ... Watch!

When a governmental or institutional person comes to you suggesting you should give over civil freedom to them for your own protection ... seek, rest in, and give the prerogative to, the immanent presence…

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Henry Pickworth and The Spirit's Ancient Operations

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Research Notes and Comments: ACOEHI Pickworth, Henry



Henry Pickworth and The Spirit's Ancient Operations



In 1715 a book was published entitled A Charge of Error, Hereſy, Incharity, Falſhood, Evaſion, Inconſiſtency, Innovation, Impoſition, Infidelity, Hypocriſy, Pride, Railery, Apoſtacy, Perjury, Idolatry, Villany, Blasphemy, Abomination, Confusion, and Worſe than Turkish Tyranny. The subtitle reads, Most justly exhibited, and offered to be proved…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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