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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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HHS Announces New Conscience and Religious Freedom Division

Today, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is pleased to announce the formation of a new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division in the HHS Office for Civil Rights (OCR). The announcement will take place at an event at HHS headquarters from 10:30 a.m. to noon. It will be livestreamed here. Speakers will include Acting Secretary Eric D. Hargan, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Representative Vicky Hartzler, Senator James Lankford, OCR Director Roger Severino, and…See More
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Keith Saylor commented on Chaplain Stogumber's blog post 'Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?'
"Eratta - Ana spurs = Anabaptists Both instead of but in the next Sentence."
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Keith Saylor commented on Chaplain Stogumber's blog post 'Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?'
"I enjoyed this. Thankfully, we are not limited to the dynamic reflected here. I do not see much of a difference between identification with, and being guided and informed by, outward ideas openly professed and ideas not specifically attached to a…"
1st month 13
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Pete Moss and Random Hazard meet the missionary.

It was very hot and humid with no breeze. Pete Moss and Random Hazard were in a very small hut which a local villager had transformed into a bar like establishment. Pete and Random were excited over the day’s events. Early in the morning they had climbed into a giant Bullet Tree, near the Central American village, that grew along a lagoon.They were interested in the mini eco-systems anchored by the epiphytes that grew on the huge branches of the Bullet Tree. Specifically, orchids were of…See More
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Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"It is true that the what can be said can be said clearly, it is also true that what cannot be said by one clearly can still be said by another and clearly. It is true that what some cannot say ... others can. It is also true that for some people…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"Those things most worth saying are not sayable; but a well-done hint may prompt a hearer to find them himself. Putting such hints as clearly as possible should make that easier. (Me)"
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David McKay commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"What can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence. (Ludwig Wittgenstein)"
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Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"As for me, I still have my spiritual taste buds and don't intend on giving them up, as how I'm led by the Spirit is by my sense of sweet and savory (metaphorically speaking, but literally too). Some beers are too bland. Call me finicky…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"What is discovered to me is that the “personal stamps” of which you speak is of no concern in a conscious anchored in and a conscience informed by immanent Presence itself in itself. While here, I have shared my testimony in various…"
1st month 10
Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"Yes Keith, I share your experience in some measure, of the sufficiency of Life itself, and I'm led to exult in various ways in my prose.  It's just that whereas we may all drink from the same fountain, when we go to bottle it in the…"
1st month 10
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"Kirby. There is not one single bit of a doubt that there is absolutely no language barrier between those who are coming into the Life; even between those who are coming into the Life but who have only experienced a small measure. I am currently in…"
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Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"My question about this testimony is does it take one to know one, meaning do we recognize when others are living in the light without the burden of inward baggage? If so, whom might we link to Keith as likewise so enlightened?  Meister Eckhart?…"
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The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions

About ten years ago it was discovered to me through the immanent impulse of eternal Presence in my conscious and conscience that the very act of setting aside specific times and places in pursuit of spiritual nurture was a hinderance or impairment relative to spiritual being and sustenance. Even was discovered to me even 25 years ago and is discovered to me even today. There is a relationship, interaction, and unity with immanent Presence that is consummated in the laying down of all religious…See More
1st month 10
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The Angel Of Presence

Monday, January 8, 2018The Angel of PresenceThe circumstance of life has found me in Central America and the Caribbean for a couple weeks. The coming out of a life guided and informed by outward perceptions, sensations, thoughts, feelings, and desires and into a life guided by the immanent Presence has discovered to me a ministry wherein the very act of holding in immanent divine Presence itself in itself while interacting with others is, in itself, ministration of the inshining Light. This…See More
1st month 8
Keith Saylor commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Only Antidote (Part Two)'
"Thank you for sharing the piece by Hunter. There is much to glean from it. I am struck by: “The cultural logic of the Enlightenment project has lost credibility, and the liberal—genuinely liberal—regime it inspired is collapsing.…"
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The Ancient Simplicity, as it was once Witnessed unto by Geroge Fox.

Research Notes, George Fox, John Perrot, Ancient SimplicityThe Ancient Simplicity, as it was once Witnessed unto By George Fox.While researching texts published on Early English Books Online, I came across this small piece of text wherein a person shares a letter written by George Fox which is used to suggest that George Fox, in his response to, and attacks against, John Perrot had come out of the Ancient Simplicity of minding the Universal Spirit that he himself testified to. This is another…See More
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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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HHS Announces New Conscience and Religious Freedom Division

Posted on 1st mo. 19, 2018 at 1:03pm 0 Comments

Today, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is pleased to announce the formation of a new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division in the HHS Office for Civil Rights (OCR). The announcement will take place at an event at HHS headquarters from 10:30 a.m. to noon. It will be livestreamed here. Speakers will include Acting Secretary Eric D. Hargan, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Representative Vicky Hartzler, Senator James Lankford, OCR Director Roger Severino, and…

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Pete Moss and Random Hazard meet the missionary.

Posted on 1st mo. 12, 2018 at 4:42am 0 Comments

It was very hot and humid with no breeze. Pete Moss and Random Hazard were in a very small hut which a local villager had transformed into a bar like establishment. Pete and Random were excited over the day’s events. Early in the morning they had climbed into a giant Bullet Tree, near the Central American village, that grew along a lagoon.



They were interested in the mini eco-systems anchored by the epiphytes that grew on the huge branches of the Bullet Tree. Specifically,…

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The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions

Posted on 1st mo. 10, 2018 at 9:50am 8 Comments

About ten years ago it was discovered to me through the immanent impulse of eternal Presence in my conscious and conscience that the very act of setting aside specific times and places in pursuit of spiritual nurture was a hinderance or impairment relative to spiritual being and sustenance. Even was discovered to me even 25 years ago and is discovered to me even today. There is a relationship, interaction, and unity with immanent Presence that is consummated in the laying down of all…

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The Angel Of Presence

Posted on 1st mo. 8, 2018 at 6:13am 0 Comments

Monday, January 8, 2018



The Angel of Presence



The circumstance of life has found me in Central America and the Caribbean for a couple weeks. The coming out of a life guided and informed by outward perceptions, sensations, thoughts, feelings, and desires and into a life guided by the immanent Presence has discovered to me a ministry wherein the very act of holding in immanent divine Presence itself in itself while interacting with others is, in itself, ministration…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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