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Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

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I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

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I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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"Greetings Keith: I admire this kind of scholarly uncovering of how religious texts change.  I spent a lot of time with the textual history of 'A Guide to True Peace'.  I was able to compare 15 editions, line by line.  The…"
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"Research Notes, Edition of text, George Fox, James Naylor There are at least five later edition of the 1655 text. There apparently is a 1691 edition that I have not read. The 4 other edition were published in 1660, 1671, 1675 (“The Fourth…"
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George Fox and Holy-days (1677)

George Fox, writing from Amsterdam in 1677, admonished Quakers against being draw into outward ceremony and observances. He wrote:Where did ever Christ or his Apostles command any Believers, or Christians to observe Holy-dayes, or Feast-days; and let us see where it is written in the Scriptures of the New Testament, in the four Evangelists, or Epistles, or the Revelations? That ever Christ or his Apostles gave the Christians and such Command, that they should observe the time called Christmas,…See More
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"Research Notes: John Perrot, George Fox In 1664 John Perrott, writing from Jamaica, sent this a letter to George Fox concerning the various concerns Fox had with Perrott. One those those concerns was Perrott’s wearing of his hat during prayer…"
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Hidden things brought to light, or, the discord of the grand Quakers among themselves ...

Research Notes, Geroge Fox, John Pennymen, John Perrot, Robert RichI am currently keyboarding Robert Rich’s [R.R.]collection of letters written by George Fox, James Naylor, John Perrot, and Robert Rich, wherein the the nature of the discord between Fox, Naylor, and Perrot is manifested. The full text will appear here and will also be published archive.org. For now I wanted to share something from a letter written to George Fox from Robert Rich. By the way, Robert Rich, was a Quaker who strongly…See More
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Why I am come out of the valuation of International Women’s Day or other outward political and religious ceremonies and holidays.

Why I am come out of the valuation of International Women’s Day or other outward ceremonies and holidays.I am come out of the valuation of outwardly contrived political and religious ceremonies through the appearance of the inshining spirit of Christ upon my conscience and consciousness. Through this inshining experience of immanent presence of Christ, it is discovered to me a conscience and consciousness that is informed solely through participation in and identity with the ever inshining…See More
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"Should there be a category of "not making a big fussy deal about forms, nonforms, or BeingSoUtterlyDoneWithAllThat"?"
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"Thank you for creating an epub version so I could post it to my ereader."
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Jay Thatcher commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'To all that would know the way to the Kingdom, whether they be in Forms, Without Forms, or Got above all Forms.'
"Did you notice that Rex Ambler quoted at length from the 1653 tract for a pivotal passage in Light to Live by: An Exploration in Quaker Spirituality?  He starts with, "dwelling in the light, there’s no occasion at all of…"
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The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement..

The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement.In a recent post on Twitter Julian Assange wrote of the process of algorithmically preying on the people’s existing biases to increases engagement.An algorithm is defined broadly as a step by step procedure or function for solving a problem or accomplishing an some end within a finite number of steps.A consciousness and conscience that enters into,…See More
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Thank you Mike. I am open to your to your understanding of Atshan. To make sure I understand you better, I have some further questions based on your last post. Is a reaction by definition “knee-jerk” when it is “immediate?”…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Forest. I love this paragraph from your response. ”Principles' are intellectually-produced descriptions of various spiritual realities, from human perspectives. I wouldn't make a principle of avoiding them; but one should keep…"
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I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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George Fox and Holy-days (1677)

Posted on 4th mo. 1, 2018 at 11:32am 1 Comment

George Fox, writing from Amsterdam in 1677, admonished Quakers against being draw into outward ceremony and observances. He wrote:



Where did ever Christ or his Apostles command any Believers, or Christians to observe Holy-dayes, or Feast-days; and let us see where it is written in the Scriptures of the New Testament, in the four Evangelists, or Epistles, or the Revelations? That ever Christ or his Apostles gave the Christians and such…

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Hidden things brought to light, or, the discord of the grand Quakers among themselves ...

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Research Notes, Geroge Fox, John Pennymen, John Perrot, Robert Rich

I am currently keyboarding Robert Rich’s [R.R.]collection of letters written by George Fox, James Naylor, John Perrot, and Robert Rich, wherein the the nature of the discord between Fox, Naylor, and Perrot is manifested. The full text will appear here and will also be published archive.org. For now I wanted to share something from a letter written to George Fox from Robert Rich. By the way, Robert Rich, was a Quaker…

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Why I am come out of the valuation of International Women’s Day or other outward political and religious ceremonies and holidays.

Posted on 3rd mo. 9, 2018 at 12:35pm 0 Comments

Why I am come out of the valuation of International Women’s Day or other outward ceremonies and holidays.



I am come out of the valuation of outwardly contrived political and religious ceremonies through the appearance of the inshining spirit of Christ upon my conscience and consciousness. Through this inshining experience of immanent presence of Christ, it is discovered to me a conscience and consciousness that is informed solely through participation in and identity with the…

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The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement..

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The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement.



In a recent post on Twitter Julian Assange wrote of the process of algorithmically preying on the people’s existing biases to increases engagement.



An algorithm is defined broadly as a step by step procedure or function for solving a problem or accomplishing an some end within a finite number…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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