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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

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I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 6th month 30. 4 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Keith Saylor replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Recapturing Initiative for Conservative Friends'
""The evidence suggests that Friends need the counsel of one another to implement their commitment to Christ." William, I appreciate your affirmation that you and other Friends "need the counsel of one another to implement their…"
8th month 23
Keith Saylor replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Recapturing Initiative for Conservative Friends'
"Hello William, You wrote in response to my question. "Christ is the renewer, not me!  I can cast in my two mites, but He alone can make it happen, or not." I've carried your words with me since you wrote them. Your affirmation…"
8th month 22
Keith Saylor replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Recapturing Initiative for Conservative Friends'
"As a point of clarificati0n. In Williams response to my question, my question is quoted, however, included within the body of my quote is  his answer to my question. This makes it look like his response were my own words.  The sentence…"
8th month 13
Keith Saylor replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Recapturing Initiative for Conservative Friends'
""Christ is the renewer."  Amen. It is the direct and unmediated experience and guidance of the immanent presence of the Spirit of Christ in the hearts of people that is the answer. The use if the process of reflection (formalities,…"
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Keith Saylor replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Recapturing Initiative for Conservative Friends'
"Hello William, Just to be clear. Are you suggesting, if the Conservative Friends follow the outward prescriptions and formalities you have laid out, the conservative body of Friends will be revitalized?"
8th month 12
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Online Version of William Rogers 1680 text "The Christian Quaker..."'
"Published William Shewen's "TREATISE Concerning Evil Thoughts and Imaginations, And Concerning Good Thoughts and Heavenly Meditations."…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Marcia P Roberts's blog post 'No respector of persons'
"Marcia, I share your struggle with the power of the reflective process in matters of human relationships and interactions. When relating to people in the power of reflective thought, the power of the immanent presence of the spirit of Jesus Christ…"
7th month 28
Keith Saylor commented on Marcia P Roberts's blog post 'No respector of persons'
"# Untitled Note Personally, because I share Fox's testimony (to a measured degree) to the witness of being drawn out of the process of reflection (respecting outward forms, including persons)  to guide and inform my relationships and…"
7th month 27
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"If I understand you correctly, I do not attend outward meeting or church service or worship before Meeting in search of inspiration or to worship. Both these are of the nature of a conscience and consciousness in immanent and self-evident being…"
7th month 27
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Hello Marcia, Your question is significant. Early in the history of the Quaker gathering, it happened that many did not agree with the outward forms Fox and others were promoting to guide and  inform relations in the gathering. A key…"
7th month 26
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"I've added anEpistle written by Woolman relevant to the study. https://johnwoolman.blogspot.com/p/epistle-to-quarterly-and-monthly.html#XR1304"
7th month 25
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'Why do Liberal Friends not Record Ministers or Spiritual Gifts?' in the group Liberal Quakers
"It is edifying to gather with others who share the living presence of the spirit of Jesus Christ in their heart, according to their measure. Gathering in silent meeting or is a personal preference when moved to seek the fellowship of others.…"
7th month 20
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Reference Key: #TJAEOJSOAC Summary, Observations, and Considerations John Woolman's Journal Chapter 8 Paragraphs Three and Five Woolman admits his physical strength and ability was different than others and because he lacked the physical…"
7th month 20
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'Why do Liberal Friends not Record Ministers or Spiritual Gifts?' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Attending silent meeting in the immanent and self evident presence of the spirit of Jesus Christ is the direct living ministry of Christ. Whether someone speaks or not is irrelevant. Whenever I find myself engaged in the process of reflecting upon…"
7th month 19
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"#AuxiliaryConsiderations #WoolmanProject #Conscience James Naylor, on page one of his Discovery of the First Wisdom from Beneath, and the Second Wisdom from Above (published 1656) writes of the will and the brain which is the Serpents seat View in…"
7th month 11
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Reference Key: TJAEOJSOAC Summary, Observations, and Considerations John Woolman's Journal Chapter 8 Paragraph Two Woolman writes: This second paragraph manifests some of the same content that is in the first; relative to the foundational…"
7th month 10

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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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In the Life itself the need for prophets and prophecies is fulfilled.

Posted on 6th mo. 16, 2020 at 1:16pm 1 Comment

In a recent article entitled "Jesus wasn't nice ..." Micah Bales wrote:

And it gets me to wondering: How would Jesus speak to us?

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The prophets are those people who hear and proclaim the words of God.

Source: http://www.micahbales.com/jesus-wasnt-nice-we-cant-be-either/

I am thankful that, through the power of the continuous immanent, self-evident, and self-sustaining…

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When the season of the outward ministration of others is passed and fulfilled in the everliving presence of Christ.

Posted on 5th mo. 19, 2020 at 12:14pm 0 Comments

In an article published in The Friends Journal entitled "A Parallel Universe" the author writes:

The Spirit works on us to enable us to give something of what we have received to others, to act as a mirror. So it& is that God works not only directly but through human beings, each upon another.

Source: https://www.friendsjournal.org/a-parallel-universe/

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Living in the primary and sufficient government of the spirit of Christ and being drawn out of the process of reflective thought as primary authority over human relationships and interactions.

Posted on 5th mo. 16, 2020 at 9:57am 0 Comments

People's relationships and interactions are generally mediated through the interplay between feelings, will, perceptions, sensations, and thoughts (the functions of the body). The appearance of the immanent and everliving presence of the spirit of Christ in the conscience sometimes draws people out of the process of being or life that is mediated through the reflective function of the body in matters relating to human interaction; they are come into relationships and interactions being…

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To those who are come into the immanent presence of everlasting self-sustaining being of Christ in their conscience and consciousness.

Posted on 4th mo. 25, 2020 at 11:03am 0 Comments

When a person comes to you with advice on how to think, act, or behave, in a given circumstance ... seek, rest in, and give the prerogative to, the immanent presence of the everlasting, self-sustaining being of Christ in your conscience and consciousness ... Watch!

When a governmental or institutional person comes to you suggesting you should give over civil freedom to them for your own protection ... seek, rest in, and give the prerogative to, the immanent presence…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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