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Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Marcia P Roberts 12th month 14, 2020. 17 Replies

The Trouble With Quaker Gossip

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Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"If your concepts of God get underfoot, the best way forward is to pray for help in knowing God better."
3rd month 20
Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"God is also more than anyone's experience of God. It's not that we can contain God in a concept, but that we can't contain God by eschewing concepts either. The concepts do not contain God, but like our various flavors of experiencing…"
2nd month 26
Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"I'd rather encourage people to examine the Bible sympathetically than discourage them from doing so; however some ways of looking at it work better than others. As a stick for the blind, it should work as well as any, though seeing is better…"
2nd month 23
Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"Masculine _nouns_? A word like "Godd-ess" would imply that 'God's were normally male, except for some variant which happened to be female. But 'God' is a word for exactly one being, who doesn't need to…"
2nd month 22
Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"It's probably best to talk about many Biblical concepts of God. What they have in common is that they mean a real Being, a causally decisive Being, not a figment, not an image constructed by human beings (although people's images of God…"
2nd month 20
Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"Mary Baker Eddy of the Christian Science theology. But I don't know of any Quakers making an issue of it, except for a few people who object to any idea of 'God', because, you know, He's a guy, allegedly. Pushy. Tougher than us,…"
2nd month 18
Forrest Curo replied to Thomas Maxwell's discussion 'Concept of Diety'
"So do you want to ask Quakers what they think about God? -- or ask God how your conception looks to God?"
2nd month 18
Forrest Curo commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"We don't get wars because God wants to harm us, but because the way we are still leads to harm of some kind, and war is sometimes the harm that results. William Stringfellow said that the end of the US war against Vietnam would not diminish the…"
12th month 29, 2020
Forrest Curo commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Basically we tend to be as evil in what we think to be a good cause as other churches. It isn't as easy a decision as you seem to imagine. "Are they going to read me out of Meeting? -- Will they let me back in later?" aren't…"
12th month 22, 2020
Marcia P Roberts replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Thank you Forrest, for your suggestion that what we need may be less "belief" than trust. That helps me."
12th month 14, 2020
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"I'm better at posing questions than answering them. I suspect (as Jacques Ellul said) that God is silent when people aren't listening, when they don't want their unbelief helped because they believe they're doing fine. A side…"
12th month 13, 2020
Marcia P Roberts replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Forrest, your discussions and questions are timely, especially for us where as a silent Meeting we sit in the expectation that God will speak, and yet some in our Meeting say they are nontheist and some even declare they are atheist. Seemingly…"
12th month 13, 2020
William F Rushby replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Forrest: You have packed some heavy judgments into two short paragraphs, with no or very meager explanation.  Would you care to explain for this dim wit what you are trying to say?  "
12th month 4, 2020
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Perhaps, then, lack of "faith" (as people typically misconceive it) is less of a barrier to God than self-righteousness and habitual disrespect for what we imagine, rightly or wrongly, to be what people of another religious faction…"
12th month 4, 2020
William F Rushby replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"When God takes the initiative, even the recalcitrant can be converted.  With God, all things are possible."
12th month 4, 2020
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?'
"Um, where were we? Thanks, however, for that last example of how not to read scripture. If it were literally true, no atheist would have found God seeking him."
12th month 4, 2020

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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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"You don't do it through intellectual processes. What you do is you telepathically tap in to the one great world religion,
which is only one,
which has no name,
and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

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The "Presence" of God

Posted on 8th mo. 26, 2018 at 7:01pm 0 Comments

Our experience of the presence of God is our entire experience, including all internal and external senses and our awareness of experiencing.

We can't say that some subset of our experience is the presence of God.

Some aspect of our experience may come to symbolize or represent or indicate the presence of God to a person, but that's an agreed 'codeword' between God and that person: "When I feel ___ then I know You are here & open for business." God is always here and open…

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The Metaphor is the Meaning

Posted on 5th mo. 20, 2017 at 12:33am 0 Comments

You don't do the Bible, or any human being greater honor, or understand them better, by taking them literally.

To take something "metaphorically" doesn't mean that we treat it as just a fluffy literary decoration.

In mathematics there's a term for what a metaphor does: it's called "a mapping." A useful metaphor says that one thing has a similar structure to another thing; they behave alike in analogous circumstances. One of them can be taken as a useful hint toward…

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Truth is a spiritual reality

Posted on 5th mo. 1, 2017 at 3:10pm 4 Comments

The word 'spiritual' gives a lot of people problems, and I'm not going to define it. I'm not even going to claim I understand all that it entails.

But one description that works: "If you can't define something; if you can't reduce it to a combination of some other categories or interactions between them" -- words like say, Truth, Beauty, Love and the like come to mind --

then it very likely is spiritual.

Friends have a lot of trouble with the word 'Truth' anymore. It…

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The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma

Posted on 4th mo. 4, 2017 at 10:06am 1 Comment

If a Meeting takes a stand on any significant issue whatsoever it excludes (and temporarily alienates) people who see the matter otherwise.

If a Meeting can not take a stand on matters causing great suffering (and there is always disagreement about these, or someone would have simply corrected them) we seem to fall short of a basic Christian duty.

A possible resolution to this might look like what we did (as I heard it) with the Quaker House in Ulster. Of two warring groups,…

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Truth and vs Love Among Us

Posted on 3rd mo. 26, 2017 at 9:00am 0 Comments

[Thanks to C. Wess Daniels for the nudge!]

People have come to think of a concern for ideas as pathological.

When ideas come to matter more to us than our love for each other, it is pathological.

But people die when the ideas they love and the truths they live under fail to match; bad ideas can kill people as surely as intentional violence.

We have got to resolve our differences; we have truly got to resolve our differences — not smooth them over, not crush them…

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At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

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