The only reason to learn to "wait your turn" or "take turns" is because of the wrong turn humanity took towards individuality. The ancient wisdom of Anaximander(the first scientist) that things(and people) pay the penalty of injustice(individuality) according to the disposition of time is more simply cited by Schopenhauer as "a wrong" that humankind perpetuates in the name of self-fulfillment.

That Quakerism has gotten lost in individual discernment of paths to righteousness when our Gospel Order and corporate accountability point to the narrow, yet sure, path is, in a manner of speaking, looking at yourself in the rearview mirror - an accident just waiting to happen!

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Comment by Olivia on 4th mo. 21, 2014 at 8:53am

Hi Clem!

I respect your great willingness and necessity in sacrificing our own individual interests to the greater community and to God.   But what about the inner Light of Christ?   The Kingdom of God is within each of us.  That's the good news!

Olivia

Comment by Keith Saylor on 4th mo. 21, 2014 at 11:12am

A consciousness anchored in and a conscience informed by the prescence of Christ is victory over individuality and community. Presence is the sufficient guide breaking the soul free from the outward forms of individual isolation and community bondage; a new mind and conscience, heaven. Bondage to the corporate is the same as the isolation of individuality. Presence is the release.

Comment by Clem Gerdelmann on 4th mo. 22, 2014 at 6:57am

Sorry Friends, we were put on this earth(Happy Day!) NOT as spoiled-special creatures, an advanced civilization, or a self-contained sufficiency/salvation. "That of God" is the un-natural qualification in us - viz., that we are not(individual)gods, but God's.

And so, where two or more are gathered, the Other/Presence is there(in our midst)!

Comment by Olivia on 4th mo. 22, 2014 at 8:34am

Hello Clem,

I won't have my experience of inner Light in each one of us mischaracterized this way.  I invite you to recognize that the Christ is also ALSO uniquely within you.  The fact that that is so is not worth your condemnation of it . take care....

Comment by Keith Saylor on 5th mo. 5, 2014 at 1:40pm

Clem,

You wrote:

Sorry Friends, we were put on this earth(Happy Day!) NOT as spoiled-special creatures, an advanced civilization, or a self-contained sufficiency/salvation. "That of God" is the un-natural qualification in us - viz., that we are not(individual)gods, but God's.

And so, where two or more are gathered, the Other/Presence is there(in our midst)!

These words hit my mind in such a way that the Watcher within me came to the very forefront of consciousness and brought conviction upon conscience ... I have rested in the presence of the Watcher; giving consciousness and conscience over to the inward seed of the Rest.

The more I rested in Presence, the more I came to appreciate and own your words. Your words strengthened the message of the Witness within me.

I own and proclaim a consciousness and conscience that is different from yours, anchored in the sufficiency of the immediate touch and experience of in the inward Light. The presence of Christ has "spoiled" personal identity with outward forms, ways, and practices, of the institutional mind. The witness of the eternal within me through the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ is so very "special." Transforming consciousness and conscience into a special Being; part of the "advanced" Kingdom of God.

Oh, how I am thankful for the grace of the Witness within; blessing me with the experience and direct personal knowledge of the "sufficiency" of a living faith where consciousness is anchored in and conscience is informed the direct and unmediated Witness and Presence within me and knowledge of "salvation" from bondage to the outward institutional ways and practices of the natural mind.

The Witness within anchors my faith and has blessed me with direct knowledge of individual divinity and eternal life. By the power of the Watcher filling consciousness and conscience with the things of the Kingdom and Eternal Life I am an "individual" in eternity; I share the eternal life of Jesus Christ ... I am an "individual" god (an eternal being)  an offspring of Godhead (eternal Being).

Yes, Clem. I take ownership your condemnation and I make no apologies. You and I are of a different mind and of a different faith. I do not share your lack of faith in the sufficiency of the immediacy of the presence of the inward Christ as the One and only true spiritual guide and teacher, not the talkings other men or outward institutions and practices.  By the power and strength of the presence of Christ within, your words were transformed to a blessing in spite of your intention.

Where you and I have gathered in this thread, the inward Presence is now manifest. 

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