Gift: We rejoice in the gifts of God as cherished by the Court of Quaker Opinion.

Giver: The Bible is a gift of God that is not for believing in, but, rather, believing with.

Gift: What about truth?

Giver: The truth is likewise a gift of God that is not for believing in, but, rather, believing with.

Gift: What about Christianity?

Giver: Christianity, as a way of life, is also a gift of God that is not for believing in, but, rather, believing with.

Gift: You're making it difficult to rejoice in the gifts of God.

Giver: No more difficult than to value the giver over the gift, however AMAZING.

Gift: What about Jesus of Nazareth?

Giver: Now you have found the one who is both gift and giver. Believe, then, in the Truth of truth, the Word of the Bible, and the Christ of Christianity.

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Comment by Keith Saylor on 3rd mo. 17, 2014 at 3:15pm

Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

Source: The Gospel of Thomas

In Presence the wood is split and the stone is lifted ... Presence manifested.

Comment by Forrest Curo on 3rd mo. 18, 2014 at 11:43am

When you read 'believe in' in an ancient text -- You can generally take the author to mean this as 'put your faith [as in "Keep the faith, baby!"] in' -- 'give your trust and loyalty to' -- what you can appropriately do that to. Whether or not you happen to notice yourself getting a lot of juice from it at any one moment [though of course you do want to find as well as 'seek'.]

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