I've long been aware of this branch in Jewish Orthodoxy and have wondered if the free-from-nations movement (FFNM) would be regarded as offensive to them. Paradox: FFNM encourages each self-respecting nation to fulfill plans for world domination virtually meaning: assume you've won, the world is your responsibility: now what? Psst: this is what victory looks like.

Anyway, save it for the workshops right? Here's another slice of life from Anthropology (the A in STEAM) regarding some of the ethnic strands given safe harbor in the Empire State.

[ censored by Youtube ]

Views: 105

Comment by Kirby Urner on 2nd mo. 25, 2018 at 6:38pm

https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2011/12/20/rabbi-michael-lerner/
Regarding my alluding to a "no state solution", there I'm echoing Rabbi Lerner, more from the Liberal end of the spectrum than from ultra Orthodox. I'll link to an old podcast for anyone wishing more background on said teacher's views.

Comment by Forrest Curo on 2nd mo. 25, 2018 at 8:58pm

Yes, but Jewish people can be as reluctant to come out against Israel as Americans can be to admit that our last election was stolen by antidemocratic Americans.

There was a lot of hope invested in that dream, just as there's been a lot of hope invested in ours... Some very good people can feel intensely hurt when someone pops that kind of hope.

Comment by Kirby Urner on 2nd mo. 26, 2018 at 1:13pm

Absolutely. These Orthodox, like Quakers, feel a draft into military service is an attack upon Judaism itself the way they understand it.  If the threat were less existential, they wouldn't feel driven to Youtube to express themselves, a somewhat desperate act with unpredictable consequences. 

Most of those practicing Judaism feel less under attack by a military draft that would yank their kids out of the Yeshivas and teach them to blow up Palestinians instead. Ditto most Christians, quite happy to contribute to the carnage, as long as they stay on the "winning" side.

That's why I find it particularly appropriate for Friends such as myself to seek out counterparts in other faith traditions. Another focus: the Gulen movement, pacifists who'd rather be friends with the Kurds (read "N8V Americans") than bomb them (read "Turks" -- a kind of Yanqui). 

My outreach is through our respective higher education circuits:  lets all teach tetravolumes as a great contribution from American literature. We're patriotic, proud of Mark Twain, MLK, a bunch of others (Richard Stallman...).  So far, the response is encouraging.

Comment

You need to be a member of QuakerQuaker to add comments!

Join QuakerQuaker

Support Us

Did you know that QuakerQuaker is 100% reader supported? If you think this kind of outreach and conversation is important, please support it with a monthly subscription or one-time gift.


You can also make a one-time donation.

Latest Activity

Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Chrome Tries to Block Access'
"FireFox did not hassle me in any way.  I'm going to close this issue and probably delete…"
7th day (Sat)
Kimberly Haas posted an event

Call for Presentations at Philadelphia, PA

11th mo. 6, 2018 at 6pm to 1st mo. 1, 2019 at 7pm
Friends Association for Higher Education invites proposals for presentations for our June 2019…See More
11th month 6
Mike Shell posted a blog post
11th month 4
Patricia Dallmann posted a blog post

New essay at Abiding Quaker: His Seed Remaineth

The following is an excerpt from a new post at…See More
11th month 3
Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Talk about Talking Heads (E.M. Jones)'
"Howdy Keith -- Thanks for wading in. I'm not really expecting any surge in Friends wanting to…"
11th month 2
Keith Saylor replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Talk about Talking Heads (E.M. Jones)'
"I write this as one from a different way who does not wish to step on the intent of your post to…"
11th month 2
Kirby Urner posted a discussion

Talk about Talking Heads (E.M. Jones)

Wow Dr. E. Michael Jones, been watching interviews of the guy on U2b (Youtube).Maybe no one has…See More
10th month 31

© 2018   Created by QuakerQuaker.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service