Obey Jesus Christ or the Government
By Tony Soldo

All true Christians must disconnect themselves from all organized groups of men who's purpose is to control, judge, punish, interfere with, other men. This includes all governments, business corporations, and even religions.
The only form of government that true Christians submit themselves to is the Kingdom of Heaven, which true Christians are citizens of, and Jesus Christ is the only authority and King, and Jesus commands His followers to obey His commands found in the New Testament Gospels.
Commandment 1) Love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
Commandment 2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
As for Romans 13, that command is null and void if it goes against the commands of Jesus Christ, and all governments do things that go against the teachings and commands of Jesus Christ, including, and especially the US Empire, who is Babylon of Revelation chapters 17 and 18, but the US government has sent out alerts to all Christian organizations telling the pastors to teach Romans 13.
Christians throughout history that did obey their government leaders, as Romans 13 seems to demand, instead of obeying Jesus Christ, were not following and submitting themselves to their Lord and King: Jesus Christ, but they were submitting themselves to the god of this world: Satan, who has authority over all governments and kings on Earth until Jesus Christ returns to take His Planet back from Satan.
Throughout history, since the time of Jesus Christ, two thousand years ago, all Christians who went to war for their government or religious organization, were violating and refusing a direct order and command from their Leader and King: Jesus Christ, and as a soldier of the Kingdom of Heaven, all true Christians must follow the orders of their commanding officer, who is Jesus Christ.

Romans 13
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2013;&version=9;
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Acts 5:29
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=5&verse=29&version=9&context=verse
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

The Two Commandments:
Matthew 22 verses 36 - 40
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2022:%2036-40;&version=9;
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus Christ commands His followers to love all people, even your enemies:
Matthew 5:43-47
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:43-47;&version=9;

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?


Obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ:
2 Thessalonians 1 verse 8
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%202%20Thessalonians%201;&version=9;
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Feds Train Clergy To "Quell Dissent" During Martial Law

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm

Secret FEMA Plan To Use Pastors as Pacifiers in Preparation For Martial Law
Nationwide initiative trains volunteers to teach congregations to "obey the government" during seizure of guns, property, forced inoculations and forced relocation
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/fema_plan_use_pastors_pacify_for_martial_law.htm

Romans Chapter 13
by Chuck Baldwin
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/baldwin1.html

Chuck Baldwin -- Romans 13 Revisited
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin521.htm


Understanding Romans 13
Dr. Chuck Baldwin's Interview With Dr. Greg Dixon
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/Interview_Dixon.html



Tony Soldo
P.O.Box 216
Hobe Sound, FL
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Comment by Jim Wilson on 7th mo. 22, 2009 at 12:23pm
Dear Tony:

This is very articulate. Thank you for stating your position so clealry.

Best wishes,

Jim
Comment by Forrest Curo on 7th mo. 22, 2009 at 3:40pm
I admire the non-idolatrous, accurate view of human governments and their fallen nature.

God, on another hand, seems to suffer in this description. Is God's role one of rueful disconnection, preparatory to the bit about: "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." How does this fit with the God we are told to model ourselves on, who "sends sun and [needed] rain on the Just and the Unjust"?

My experience has been, often, that precisely when I am in the hands of these Godless powers, sitting in a courtroom wondering what will become of me, that the reign of God over all that becomes clearest.

Perhaps Paul's thinking in this part of Romans is more subtle than anyone who tries to use it to demand uncritical support of de facto powers-- a position more like "Don't poke the government; it bites!"
Comment by Wee Dragon on 7th mo. 29, 2009 at 8:13pm
I am glad to see other Quakers awake to this....
In so many "churches" (not just Quakers), as sort of relationship has been formed with politics/government that is just assumed benign...when in fact it has no place and can be quite insidious. I also don't understand people thinking that government programs and activism is that answer to any of our societal or social ills.

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