I was just reading a brief, possibly unfair account of a charismatic Anglican clergyman of the 1840's. 'Men were quaking; women were fainting' during his sermons. His bishop clamped down, and soon this man had gone off to start a church of his own, where his ceremonial public attempt to render a female disciple immortal unexpectedly (to him!) rendered her pregnant.

Okay... So we need more 'enthusiasm,' in the root sense of God being more manifestly 'in us'--but 'enthusiasm' in the emotional, psychic-energy sense may be neither necessary nor sufficient. Physical evidence can enlighten or mislead; emotional power may enlighten or mislead; intellectual evidence may be conclusive or utterly mistaken. And 'spiritual' effects?

The spiritual eye-opener of my day was the prevalent use of 'hallucinogenic' (or 'psychedelic', take your pick!) drugs. People raised in a culture that had utterly lost faith in the spiritual realm... were suddenly given a means to blast their minds out of Kansas! The outcomes ranged from sublime to tragic, with a few people pushed into psychiatric diagnoses, many people temporarily enlightened, a few people finding themselves on a path to more stable spirituality. The crystalline certainty of a marijuana realization--could point to real insight or pure delusion.

We've got Quaker structures and practices that are supposed to insure us against being mistaken. But 100 people aren't necessarily 100 times more right than one; they may be 100 times crazier! Checking with others is some protection against truly 'insane' leadings--the "I'm special and you ain't!" sort of delusion--but what about passing intellectual fashions, and what about ingrained cultural assumptions? One man's eye may find a knothole in a fence than most people can't see over!

There were children playing outside the meeting. We meet on the grounds of another meeting, and these were church-goers' children, temporarily without supervision, peaceful and friendly but loud, utterly self-absorbed, entirely unimpressed by the authority of unfamiliar adults. Several people tried to quiet them, get them to play closer to the other group's service... and they did eventually quiet a little. But I wondered what message their presence carried.

True, Jesus said: "Unless you become as a little child, you can't enter the kingdom of Heaven?" But I couldn't see this particular behavior-mode as being quite what he had in mind. It seemed more to me that these children were a mirror. It was our own heedlessness we were hearing and objecting to! Did this apply to me? I hoped it didn't, but that didn't seem likely!
Adults saying we "had to" work for the sort of medical insurance-subsidization scheme "that we could get passed"! Not the single-payer system we need, that wasn't going to happen. No, not if we got the insurance kleptocracy even further entrenched, and set up another system to discredit the whole idea of government healthcare programs! The Testimony of Worldly Wisdom! Oh well, ow well.
People waiting for our financially-invested Meeting funds to "go back up in value."
People who've confused an improvement in political personnel with the Second Coming!
And I'd been thinking, quite recently, that the institutions and customs we've adopted so that we can more effectively, more... decorously follow the Spirit--have become obstacles, that we should turn to a more free-form form of worship, a grounding in silence interspersed with sharing of anything that anyone in the group has found inspiring, enlightening, from music to readings to art works--but not this fixed period of constrictive silence, followed by a chattery return to the "real" world.

But even we Quakers have a hard time listening attentively through a talking-meeting! We get physically tired, emotionally upset, intellectually carried away! If we removed the customary restraints, would we remember to keep returning to the spiritual foundation? Would it be freedom or flailing?

What light can the rest of you bring to all this?

Views: 59

Comment by Alice M Yaxley on 6th mo. 9, 2009 at 1:17am
It's interesting, I find I look at it from the opposite perspective. I think this "toolkit" we have in the christian discipline of Friends is what we need to help us follow Jesus together. What I see is a lot of people not firmly attached to the root, and a whole bag of practices designed to help us live as a community from the root in Christ which aren't being used because a lot of people haven't heard of them.

"They who wait upon the Most High will renew their strength" (Is 40 :31); when we truly have God first and centre, we can be renewed in spirit and led peacefully into gospel order: conflicting usefully and creatively to find the deeper unity; and serving God's people by finding ourselves by the side of the poorest and most desperate; pointing the way towards the Kingdom we can know amongst ourselves.
Comment by Forrest Curo on 6th mo. 9, 2009 at 1:21pm
Okay, 'who' was the 'Reverend H.J. Prince' as described in Mrs. Blavatsky's Baboon by Peter Washington. His notes:

"Prince's early career is recorded in his 1842 book, The Charlinch Revival. But see also A. Huxley, The Olive Tree, Chatto & Windus, 1936; and J. Montgomery, Abodes of Love, Putnam & Co., 1962."

I have not looked for these, although I am curious, whether there is any record of the couple's deaths, or of the fate of "Satan's child."
Comment by Rickey D. Whetstone on 6th mo. 14, 2010 at 9:20pm
Hi Forrest

I like your writing . . . I attend a house church . . . and everyone has a chance to speak about their relationship with God that week. I've learned more about God in the past three years . . . attending this house church . . . than in the last 52 years at my old church.

So . . . I guess . . . this house church is my hole in the fence.

Now I understand why Jesus said . . . call no man teacher.

Keep on writing . . . Forrest

thanks for your time.



You need to be a member of QuakerQuaker to add comments!

Join QuakerQuaker

Support Us

Did you know that QuakerQuaker is 100% reader supported? If you think this kind of outreach and conversation is important, please support it with a monthly subscription or one-time gift.

You can also make a one-time donation.

Latest Activity

William F Rushby replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Northeastern Anabaptist/Conservative Friends' in the group Conservative Friends
"A bit more advice: Leadership should not be limited to one person or one family.  Such…"
1 hour ago
William F Rushby replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Northeastern Anabaptist/Conservative Friends' in the group Conservative Friends
"This is some advice I gave to Barbara Smith many years ago about starting a new Conservative…"
20 hours ago
William F Rushby commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
5th day (Thu)
Keith Saylor commented on William F Rushby's blog post 'From John Woolman on Ministry'
"Preface to Study Hello William In consideration of how to proceed with this study of John…"
5th day (Thu)
Matthew Callow replied to Aaron J Levitt's discussion 'Led to song?'
"Aaron, At a Meeting for Worship many years ago, my heart was weighed heavy with grief, so I…"
5th month 21
Mitchell Pearson posted a photo
5th month 20
Mitchell Pearson liked Mitchell Pearson's profile
5th month 20
Ransome Reed updated their profile
5th month 20

© 2020   Created by QuakerQuaker.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service