Rainer Möller
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Forrest Curo commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"As I understand it, a lot of young men -- being young men -- went off eagerly to join in a battle against evil.  They were, of course, disowned by their Meetings. After finding out what battles-against-evil are all about, and eventually…"
2nd day (Mon)
Rainer Möller commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"As Wikipedia tells us, Whittier wrote a book "In War Time" 1864. Has anyone here read it? It ought to be interesting."
1st day (Sun)
Rainer Möller left a comment for William F Rushby
"Hi William, thanks for the reminder of Wikipedia. They don't tell us much, but I see that Whittier wrote a book "In war time" (1864) which should be informative.  As for the place between Quakers and Mennonites, we have probably…"
1st day (Sun)
William F Rushby left a comment for Rainer Möller
"Rainer |Moller describes himself as "Not literal enough to a good Anabaptist. Not liberal enough to be a good Quaker." I too find myself part-Anabaptist and part-Quaker, but "literal" and "liberal" are not terms I would…"
1st day (Sun)
William F Rushby commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
""Does someone know how Whittier developed from that point onwards? I cannot think that he supported the war atrocities of the next years." Rainer Moller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Greenleaf_Whittier"
1st day (Sun)
Rainer Möller commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'Quakers unto the Civil War'
"Adding up. My first irritation with Quakerism came at a European meeting, American Friends included, who then induced the whole meeting to sing "John Brown's body" fullheartedly. I was perhaps the only one who knew that this was an…"
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Quakers unto the Civil War

My personal impression is that Quakers, like all abolitionists, enthusiastically took part in the mental preparation of the Civil War. But when the War came they were perplexed and most of them opted out of it. But this abrupt change of  view couldn't work well, indeed a third of the young men joined Lincoln's army. On the other hand, Quakers were rigorous enough to disown those young men and thus lost a lot of their followers.Is this historically correct?What would it mean for actual politics…See More
10th month 19
Rainer Möller replied to William F Rushby's discussion 'Two Narratives in American Society'
"Following this review Macaes' seems to say that before our times, when "Liberalism" reigned, all people were of the same opinion. Is that so? I would rather say that so-called "public opinion" was much more homogenous but…"
10th month 19
Rainer Möller replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Is Semite Really a Synonym for Jewish?'
"Kirby, I must admit that the theory of evolution (i.e. evolution of new species via racial differentiation) is a mere theory. Even if it is now conventional wisdom taught in schools (but for using the word "race"), such an evolution of a…"
5th month 17
Rainer Möller replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Is Semite Really a Synonym for Jewish?'
"Kirby, the central point which I want to make is: Endogamy/Exogamy has consequences. Group endogamy causes group differences, first of course physical differences, but also in the realm of psycho-physical relations. (Of course, groups/clusters, and…"
5th month 15
Rainer Möller replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Is Semite Really a Synonym for Jewish?'
"Kirby, I am glad that we can agree about classifying people by differences. I also agree with you that the popular and above all the political use of the concept "race" is flawed. This is an inevitable phenomenon when scientific ideas go…"
5th month 14
Rainer Möller replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Is Semite Really a Synonym for Jewish?'
"Well, "race" is inevitable if you want to explain how new species developed from old ones. Even indivuals can be compared, about who is more or less well-functioning or apt - and it's the same with races (or other particular groups).…"
5th month 11
Rainer Möller replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Is Semite Really a Synonym for Jewish?'
""Semites" were in older texts the descendants of Sem/Shem which were more or less identical with the users of  "Semitic" languages (Phenician, Hebrew, Arabic). Wilhlem Marr invented the term "semitism" as a…"
4th month 19
Sergei Grushko commented on Rainer Möller's blog post 'THE EMR Initiative - Bolshevism'
"According to Wikipedia, socialism is characterised by social ownership of the means of production. If this ownership is produced by force it is immoral. If it was reached by free agreement it is moral. In reality all regimes…"
5th month 24, 2019

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Not literal enough to a good Anabaptist. Not liberal enough to be a good Quaker.

Rainer Möller's Blog

Quakers unto the Civil War

Posted on 10th mo. 19, 2020 at 7:40am 4 Comments

My personal impression is that Quakers, like all abolitionists, enthusiastically took part in the mental preparation of the Civil War. But when the War came they were perplexed and most of them opted out of it. But this abrupt change of  view couldn't work well, indeed a third of the young men joined Lincoln's army. On the other hand, Quakers were rigorous enough to disown those young men and thus lost a lot of their followers.

Is this historically correct?

What would it mean…

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THE EMR Initiative - Bolshevism

Posted on 3rd mo. 17, 2019 at 4:48am 1 Comment

Communism is the name of a Party. Socialism is a certain economical policy (which, in its more radical variants, may be naive and preposterous, but not immoral in itself). The real problem we have to speak about is Bolshevism.

Bolshevism – as different from Communism and Socialism - is a political strategy which is grounded in certain assumptions about reality. It is neither restrained to a…

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The E.Merrill Root Initiative

Posted on 3rd mo. 16, 2019 at 8:30am 0 Comments

What's this?

A rightwing Quaker is hard to find.

"Conservative" Quaker means normally that you are a traditionalist in all matters of religion and personal conduct, but not politically. To their honor, a lot of Quakers have been "Libertarians" when this kind of political ideology was fashionable, but where have they gone?

So let's speak about the Left and the Right. These are the names of conflict parties, not of general concepts, and conflict parties can change their…

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At 10:38am on 11th mo. 29, 2020, William F Rushby said…

Rainer |Moller describes himself as "Not literal enough to a good Anabaptist. Not liberal enough to be a good Quaker."

I too find myself part-Anabaptist and part-Quaker, but "literal" and "liberal" are not terms I would use to capture the difference!

 
 
 

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