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Increase Our Faith (Luke 17:5)
7th mo. 6, 2017 at 6pm to 7th mo. 9, 2017 at 12am – Harriman Retreat Center
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Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'"You wrote, Keith: For it is all you have left when faced with those of us who know the Life itself in itself anchoring our conscious and informing our conscience and who are clothed in immanent Presence.
God is infinite and infinitely…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'"You wrote, Howard: Your intellectual reasoning and ego are the great deceivers you so fear because there is no possible way you can be sure those words written thousands of years ago are accurate or even rendered exactly as Jesus spoke…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'"Anyone who knows the one, true God can see your rebellion, Keith.
We are grateful that God who has created us all visits us to give of himself that we may not walk in the darkness of the Tempter who speaks lies, telling us that we, too,…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'"Ellis, I found your response to Keith to be valid. He would do well to heed your admonishment. It reminded me of a passage in the Journal where Fox deals with Ranters. The Ranters said "they were God." Fox helps them to see that they are…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'"Forrest: The last quotation from Fox in Ellis's post is addressed to those who, like you, minimize and excuse their love of darkness and hatred of the light, and then assure themselves that God's mercy and love is their ace in the hole. In…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'"Yes, Fox rightly held forth "the weight and preciousness of truth" to be sought "and esteemed above all things." It is that high esteem of truth that eventually leads to what Barclay referred to in the above quotation as "a…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'" Barclay describes the feelings and reasons behind the process of adopting a notional apprehension of God, the state you have described in this post:
Thus when a man first proposeth to himself the knowledge of God, from a sense of his own…"
Patricia Dallmann posted a blog postRediscovering the Teaching of George Fox: The New Ministry (lecture six)
First, they must be made alive by Christ, [who] is alive and liveth forevermore … and quickened by him, before they…can be ministers of the spirit, [and] be able to receive heavenly and spiritual things….So, all must be called by Christ…out of the world…and receive his power, spirit and grace and truth and faith [before] they can preach Christ…. They must see him and know him and hear his voice, and have spiritual things from him …and they must all receive their gifts from him for the work of…See More
"Ideas are important in shaping how we understand what we're knowing; but they aren't What-or-Who we're learning to know.
Different people (or same people at different times) will find a particular phrase helpful (or unhelpful) -- but…"
Patricia Dallmann commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'"David, thanks for your comments, which are good on both counts: first, we do have a standard that is inward and not visible (unlike a creed) but is more rigorous than any outward standard, and second, the cross signifies a yielding of self-will.
The…"
James C Schultz commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'"David: How about we are all entitled to our own "pursuit" of the truth?"
David McKay commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'"My own understanding of the early Quaker/Fox phrase "inner cross" is that we are to crucify self-will. That of course puts Fox in the same living stream at the Theologia Germanica. This is something Rufus Jones was quite happy with —…"
David McKay commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'"Not so sure about that one. Not having creeds could come from a number of places. It may have been viewed a son of those "dead forms" we were called to come off from. It may have been seen as not contributing to the truth-seeking to…"
James C Schultz commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'"Keith: In my Pentacostal days we would preface that by saying: "Thus says the Lord". Not understanding that some might have trouble receiving all that is said. However, having said that you are in good company…"
Keith Saylor commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'"I am a new and different Life. In me this Life is experiencing. It is in the speaking that which I am, that I am owned and I am discovered. No one can know me unless I am being discovered in speaking my name itself in itself. I am no longer third…"
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Rediscovering the Teaching of George Fox: The New Ministry (lecture six)
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ContinueFirst, they must be made alive by Christ, [who] is alive and liveth forevermore … and quickened by him, before they…can be ministers of the spirit, [and] be able to receive heavenly and spiritual things….So, all must be called by Christ…out of the world…and receive his power, spirit and grace and truth and faith [before] they can preach Christ…. They must see him and know him and hear his voice, and have spiritual things from him …and they must all receive their gifts from…
The Cross in Quaker Faith
Posted on 4th mo. 13, 2017 at 8:30am 11 Comments 1 Like
The following is an excerpt from a new post titled "The Cross in Quaker Faith," which can be found on Abiding Quaker.
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On the other hand, what if the cross is set aside as irrelevant and given no place within present-day Liberal Quaker…
Continue Increase Our Faith (Some observations on Luke 17: 1-10)
Posted on 4th mo. 6, 2017 at 11:46am 0 Comments 0 Likes
Increase Our Faith (Some observations on Luke 17: 1-10)
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Here's an excerpt from a new post titled "Increase Our Faith"at Abiding Quaker
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Beyond the restoration of relationship by truth-telling and re-affirming social boundaries, however, is a call to handle offenses in a way…
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- At 12:51pm on 3rd mo. 18, 2015,
Adria Gulizia said… Hi, Patricia. As a matter of fact, a new Philadelphia Friends of Jesus group might be launching soon. I am planning to go down for the launch, once it is scheduled. I was already planning to reach out to you when I went to Philadelphia so that you and I could meet up, but now that I know that you are interested in the FoJF, I will keep you posted on that, too!
- At 11:33am on 3rd mo. 18, 2015,
William F Rushby said… Thanks, Patricia, for locating (with Ellis Hein's help) the passage comparing Fox and Barclay. Before I write much about this passage, I need to find and read it.
Life at the moment is rather hectic for me, so it might be a while before I find the document and read the passage.
- At 11:25am on 3rd mo. 18, 2015,
Brenda Redshaw said… Greetings Friends,
In the Eight Proposition section 11, Barclay says "Lastly, though I affirm that after a man hath arrived to such a condition in which a man may not sin, he yet may sin; I will nevertheless not deny but there may be a state attainable in this life, in which to do righteousness may become so natural to the regenerate soul, that in the stability of this condition they can not sin. Others may perhaps speak more certainly of this state, as having arrived to it. For me, I shall speak modestly, as acknowledging myself not to have arrived at it; yet I dare not deny it, for that it seems so positively to be asserted by the apostle, in these words (1 John 3:9), "He that is born of God sinneth not, neither can he, because the seed of God remaineth in him."1"
And this is the difference between himself and Fox who had reached the state of perfection, but as in all revivals of holiness, by the time the second generation comes around, achievement of union is fading amongst the revivalists. Without the discernement of the Spirit which Fox had, and Christ teaching him directly, Barclay is only going to be able to repeat what he had heard from men and therefore, his teaching will differ from those who were in complete union with Christ like Fox in the finer points of the doctrine of holiness..
Brenda
- At 11:14am on 3rd mo. 17, 2015, William F Rushby said…
William F Rushby said…
I should mention that Lewis Benson was well read in Protestant theology, and was particularly attracted to and influenced by the theology of Emil Brunner. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Brunner I suspect that Brunner's theology enters into Benson's reading of George Fox.
We don't study Quaker sources in an intellectual vacuum. Our examination of Quaker texts and experiences is inevitably influenced by other influences at work in our lives. And Lewis Benson was no exception!
- At 8:57am on 3rd mo. 17, 2015, William F Rushby said…
Patricia: I wrote a response, and then mistakenly deleted it. I wish I could resurrect it, but I don't know how to do that. I'll try a bit later to reconstruct what I wrote!
- At 2:39pm on 10th mo. 28, 2014, Keith Saylor said…
I clearly did not understand your words correctly. Thank you for taking time to clarify for me.
- At 4:07pm on 2nd mo. 6, 2010, Patricia Dallmann said…
- Thanks so much, Martin, for welcoming me to this very fine site! There's so much here, and it has substance! I think that Lewis Benson would be pleased! I've written to American NFFers and suggested they explore the site and also saw that a couple of British workers are already members. Your offer to post the Wyoming gathering is much appreciated. One of us will try posting it, and if it's no go we'll get back to you for help. Thanks also for offering to put The Word Within on the Books page. Have a couple of things to do on that first - like get it back from the printer's and put it up on the NFF site. We should be ready by the end of the month. I'll be registering this week for the Pendle Hill workshop. Thanks again!
- At 6:26pm on 2nd mo. 5, 2010,
Martin Kelley said… - Patricia! Wow, you've made my day signing up here. I am so happy to see you. I would so love to see more New Fellowship Foundation energy on the site. QuakerQuaker is a lot messier and crazier and diverse than NFF but I've always considered Lewis Benson one of the grandfathers of the Convergent Friends movement. Yes, he's probably rolling in his grave right now, but I'd like to think he'd appreciate the idea behind a "Quaker Quaker":
Is it any wonder that almost everyone today seems to be a hyphenated Quaker? If we became a religious society of Finders, then we'd need to figure out what it means to be a Quaker-Quaker: someone who's theology and practice is Quaker. (From this essay)
I'd love to hear how QuakerQuaker could help raise wider awareness of NFF's vision for Friends. Should I be adding "The Word Within" to the QQ Quaker Books page? I don't see it on the NFF site yet? If you do come to the Pendle Hill workshop we need to find a time to talk about how QQ could coordinate with NFF. One way is to post any and all events up to the "Gatherings/Events" section--do you want to try posting that Wyoming event up? I'd feature it right away. If it's a bit daunting I can post it, but I like to get people doing it themselves so they get comfortable and so the name on everything isn't just "QuakerQuaker".
Again, yea! And welcome to QuakerQuaker!
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