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"ARE QUAKERS HUMANIZED?" – A review of Steven Pinker's "Enlightenment Now"

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Quaker Bonds: Using the World Bank’s "Pandemic Bond" Model

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"How do Quakers manage financial investments in a socially responsible way? How can Quakers translate faith into practice with their investments for the universal benefit of us all?"Now there is a…Continue

"A Quaker's Response to Christian Fundamentalism." Sallie King (2009)

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Sallie B. King is the author of many titles on Buddhism, Quakerism, interfaith dialogue, and the cross-cultural philosophy of religion. "A Quaker’s Response to Christian Fundamentalism" was first…Continue

 

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On reading Marcus Rediker’s "The Fearless Benjamin Lay," by Rich Van Dellen

Originally published on Quaker Universalist Conversations on April 5, 2018.The Fearless Benjamin Lay: The Quaker Dwarf Who Became the First Revolutionary Abolitionist, by Marcus Rediker (Beacon Press, 2017)I was asked by a Catholic friend if I knew Benjamin Lay, the Quaker abolitionist. I did not. She gave…See More
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"ARE QUAKERS HUMANIZED?" – A review of Steven Pinker's "Enlightenment Now"

"ARE QUAKERS HUMANIZED?" – A review of Steven Pinker's Enlightenment Now by Quaker Universalist Fellowship https://tinyurl.com/Pinker-Enlightenment or on QuakerQuaker @…See More
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Thank you Mike. I am open to your to your understanding of Atshan. To make sure I understand you better, I have some further questions based on your last post. Is a reaction by definition “knee-jerk” when it is “immediate?”…"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Friend Keith, Thanks very much for your February 17th comment. I agree with what you write here: From the time the incident with the school happened in February 2017 until August 2017, Atshan refused to speak to the media. He would only speak…"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Friend Keith, Thanks very much for your February 17th comment. I agree with what you write here: From the time the incident with the school happened in February 2017 until August 2017, Atshan refused to speak to the media. He would only speak…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Forest. I love this paragraph from your response. ”Principles' are intellectually-produced descriptions of various spiritual realities, from human perspectives. I wouldn't make a principle of avoiding them; but one should keep…"
2nd month 17
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Mike. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I appreciate your words concerning your sister-in-law and know fellowship with you relative to your experience of coming out of occasion for conflict and how so often it is not so much about the…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"'Peace' means that people aren't doing awful things to self and others. There is no 'underlying principle' guaranteed to produce that condition -- although Jesus' rule should preclude doing any such awful things…"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Thank for your "Shalom" comment, Forrest."
2nd month 14
Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Friend Keith, Thanks for the clarification.  You ask: Very much so.  However, my human experience, as the Light shows it to me, is that we "come out of all occasion" only by first looking at ourselves and at how we each…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"In the interest of promoting discussion and communication … Forrest, your response is curious to me. You have written that you “support achieving peace …” by doing various things and other things like it that you do not…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"I favor achieving peace ('Shalom') by not swindling people of other nations out of their goods and labor, not marching troops in to install governments willing to let us swindle them, not dropping or shooting explosive devices on their…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"That is fair Mike.  I have no issue seeking open, honest, and safe, communication.  Atshan is quoted as saying: ”In peace and conflict studies, we teach our students to embrace conflict. We teach our students that conflict is…"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Friend Keith, I think that was Forrest's point, but he can speak for himself. What I took from Sa'ed Atshan's works in the Friends Journal interview, was that Quaker hurt themselves (as do others) when we avoid facing our conflicts…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Mike. So are you suggesting that awareness of differences and divisity through bringing conflict into the open is the path to peace? "
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Writer, editor, photographer. Retired prison counselor and librarian. Married to Jim Gleaton under the care of Columbia (SC) Friends Meeting on December 17, 1994. Christocentric-Universalist Friend, deeply informed by Buddhist and Pagan traditions.

Clerk of Jacksonville (FL) Friends Meeting and recording clerk for Southeastern Yearly Meeting executive committee. Editor of Quaker Universalist Conversations, blog of the Quaker Universalist Fellowship.
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Are Quakers Humanized? – A review of Steven Pinker’s "Enlightenment Now"

Posted on 4th mo. 3, 2018 at 2:38pm 0 Comments

Originally published on Quaker Universalist Conversations,

the blog of Quaker Universalist Fellowship, on March 22, 2018.


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Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2018 at 7:00am 15 Comments

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At 8:11am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, I'd been afraid I'd sounded unduly harsh, when I'd basically meant that there's a lot to Jesus-as-was that really hasn't entirely fit into anybody's book so far. & that much of the add-on stuff is also in character, & serves to develop our understandings. Some of the best interpretation I've found was by people who got the history wrong or just didn't care abt that end!

At 4:24pm on 11th mo. 22, 2014, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Mike, 

Thank you for your response to my questions on the Recovering History thread. It is much appreciated. I'm writing to you here because I had no thoughts to share that would further the specific discussion. 

Your closing words caught my attention:

My sense is that the driving motive Quaker faith in action is always this:

I must take care of my neighbor and refuse to comply with the hurtful policies of those in power anywhere--regardless of whether I change the actions of those in power.

I spent time with these words because they did not hit my mind cordially, and I was lost as to why. Slowly, the sense of it manifested in the resilience of silence. 

Presence is the motivation. Direct experience is Quaker faith in action. The direct, immediate experience of Christ's presence is the Principle; outward principles or rationalized conceptual constructs, abstractions such as care for neighbors or resistance to statist imposition, is outside of Presence itself. I am Presence and do not reference outward ideologies, theologies, principles, etc. as sources of motivation. If I help my neighbor or if I do not help my neighbor I do so in the direct experience and light of the inward Principle; anchored within conscious and informing conscience. In the Light their is no reflection upon or identity with and through the outward ideologies or principles. There is pure action in the freedom of the unrefracted light within ... Here the self-conscious ego, anchored in Presence, acts without predictions and in complete freedom without reference (without looking back on outward thoughts). This is Quaker faith in action.

I write this not in the expectation that these words are cordial to your mind or with any expectation that you agree with them. I appreciate you sharing your "sense" because, in doing so, you have helped me push through to a deeper walk in Presence.

 
 
 

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