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Quaker Bonds: Using the World Bank’s "Pandemic Bond" Model

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"How do Quakers manage financial investments in a socially responsible way? How can Quakers translate faith into practice with their investments for the universal benefit of us all?"Now there is a…Continue

"A Quaker's Response to Christian Fundamentalism." Sallie King (2009)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 12th month 3, 2017. 5 Replies

Sallie B. King is the author of many titles on Buddhism, Quakerism, interfaith dialogue, and the cross-cultural philosophy of religion. "A Quaker’s Response to Christian Fundamentalism" was first…Continue

Interfaith action in a fragmented world: An invitation to write for Quaker Universalist Fellowship

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The world is once again being fragmented by fearful, angry politics and warfare, and religion is often in the mix in dangerous and destructive ways.Even so, we are seeing a resurgence of people…Continue

 

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Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Forest. I love this paragraph from your response. ”Principles' are intellectually-produced descriptions of various spiritual realities, from human perspectives. I wouldn't make a principle of avoiding them; but one should keep…"
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"'Peace' means that people aren't doing awful things to self and others. There is no 'underlying principle' guaranteed to produce that condition -- although Jesus' rule should preclude doing any such awful things…"
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"Friend Keith, Thanks for the clarification.  You ask: Very much so.  However, my human experience, as the Light shows it to me, is that we "come out of all occasion" only by first looking at ourselves and at how we each…"
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"In the interest of promoting discussion and communication … Forrest, your response is curious to me. You have written that you “support achieving peace …” by doing various things and other things like it that you do not…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"I favor achieving peace ('Shalom') by not swindling people of other nations out of their goods and labor, not marching troops in to install governments willing to let us swindle them, not dropping or shooting explosive devices on their…"
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Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict

Excerpts from the Friends Journal interviewRepublished from the blog of Quaker Universalist Fellowship @ universalistfriends.org/weblog/saed-atshan-on-the-quaker-practice-of-embracing-conflict.Introduction: On March 31, 2018, Dr. Sa’ed Atshan will present the 54th Walton Lecture to the annual gathering of the…See More
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Page 575 and the Quaker Bible: Reading The New Cambridge History of the Bible

A new post on Quaker Universalist Conversations by Larry D. SpearsThe New Cambridge History of the Bible: From 1450-1750 (Volume 3)Edited by Euan Cameron (2016).The New Cambridge History of the Bible is a four-volume scholarly project on the history of the use and…See More
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Writer, editor, photographer. Retired prison counselor and librarian. Married to Jim Gleaton under the care of Columbia (SC) Friends Meeting on December 17, 1994. Christocentric-Universalist Friend, deeply informed by Buddhist and Pagan traditions.

Clerk of Jacksonville (FL) Friends Meeting and recording clerk for Southeastern Yearly Meeting executive committee. Editor of Quaker Universalist Conversations, blog of the Quaker Universalist Fellowship.
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Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict

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Excerpts from the Friends Journal interview

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"A Quaker’s Response to Christian Fundamentalism" - Sallie King’s 2009 QUF Pamphlet

Posted on 11th mo. 25, 2017 at 5:36pm 0 Comments

Sallie B. King, Professor of Philosophy and Religion at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia, is the author of many books and articles on Buddhism, Quakerism, interfaith dialogue, and the cross-cultural philosophy of religion.…

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"The World After Truth," by Winston Davis

Posted on 2nd mo. 7, 2017 at 9:36am 3 Comments

In May of 2016, Quaker Universalist Conversations published Winston Davis’ essay “Religion, In a Nutshell.” The following essay was just published on February 5th.

The World After Truth

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At 8:11am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, I'd been afraid I'd sounded unduly harsh, when I'd basically meant that there's a lot to Jesus-as-was that really hasn't entirely fit into anybody's book so far. & that much of the add-on stuff is also in character, & serves to develop our understandings. Some of the best interpretation I've found was by people who got the history wrong or just didn't care abt that end!

At 4:24pm on 11th mo. 22, 2014, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Mike, 

Thank you for your response to my questions on the Recovering History thread. It is much appreciated. I'm writing to you here because I had no thoughts to share that would further the specific discussion. 

Your closing words caught my attention:

My sense is that the driving motive Quaker faith in action is always this:

I must take care of my neighbor and refuse to comply with the hurtful policies of those in power anywhere--regardless of whether I change the actions of those in power.

I spent time with these words because they did not hit my mind cordially, and I was lost as to why. Slowly, the sense of it manifested in the resilience of silence. 

Presence is the motivation. Direct experience is Quaker faith in action. The direct, immediate experience of Christ's presence is the Principle; outward principles or rationalized conceptual constructs, abstractions such as care for neighbors or resistance to statist imposition, is outside of Presence itself. I am Presence and do not reference outward ideologies, theologies, principles, etc. as sources of motivation. If I help my neighbor or if I do not help my neighbor I do so in the direct experience and light of the inward Principle; anchored within conscious and informing conscience. In the Light their is no reflection upon or identity with and through the outward ideologies or principles. There is pure action in the freedom of the unrefracted light within ... Here the self-conscious ego, anchored in Presence, acts without predictions and in complete freedom without reference (without looking back on outward thoughts). This is Quaker faith in action.

I write this not in the expectation that these words are cordial to your mind or with any expectation that you agree with them. I appreciate you sharing your "sense" because, in doing so, you have helped me push through to a deeper walk in Presence.

 
 
 

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