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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Thanks, David. Your post is at https://universalistfriends.org/weblog/rescuing-romans-131-7#c000630 on the QUF blog. Mike"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Thanks again, Randy. I feel modern Christians misunderstand and misuse Paul, because they read him from their own modern point of view, rather than learning about and appreciating his context in the Greco-Roman world of religion and debate. Mike"
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David McKay commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Just cross-posted this my comment to the blog post at Universalist Friends. I have added some book references. Cullmann I don't have in my library but others cite it."
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Randy Oftedahl commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Indeed, and this would also make sense to the diatribe hypothesis.  If Paul was speaking both the voice of Grace (as he does earlier in chapter 12, when he counsels the faithful to bless those that persecute them and overcome evil with good),…"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Friend Forrest, A good comment.  You write: Thanks again for the observation."
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Thanks, Friend Randy.  This too is a valuable expansion of this blog post's intent. You write: It took me several decades to reclaim Paul, and understanding his audience and the sort of teaching and debate with which they were familiar has…"
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Mike Shell commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Thank you very much, Friend David. This is an important alternative reading of Paul that I had not learned of before. I will share the Cullmann and Wink perspectives with my fellow Friends. Would you be willing to add this comment to the original…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"Basically we've got some inflated pastoral advice: 'Stay out of trouble if you can, and don't stir up unnecessary trouble by picking fights with the authorities.' God determines who receives earthly power... [and Jesus makes it…"
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Randy Oftedahl commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"We are surely not surprised that there are those who would use the Scriptures for their own justification, are we?  This is as old as the Scriptures themselves, and we are all familiar with how Jesus confronted the Pharisaical examples of…"
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David McKay commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?'
"It is by no means clear to me that the "supreme authorities" from Romans 13:1 is referring to civil authorities. A lot of work was done in the 20th century on powers and principalities theology. And there's a range of interpretations.…"
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Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?

Friends,Please join me on my blog post "Rescuing Romans 13:1-7" for a conversation about this topic.Amid the wide global turmoil stirred by America’s current flexing of authoritarian nationalism, a deeper spiritual turmoil has been brought to light by the current administration’s use of the apostle Paul’s Letter to the Romans.... What is your…See More
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Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?

Originally published on the Quaker Universalist Fellowship blog (6/30/18)Amid the wide global turmoil stirred by America’s current flexing of authoritarian nationalism, a deeper spiritual turmoil has been brought to light by the current administration’s use of the apostle Paul’s Letter to the Romans.There is a willful blindness at work in this government and its supporters, a steadfast…See More
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On reading Marcus Rediker’s "The Fearless Benjamin Lay," by Rich Van Dellen

Originally published on Quaker Universalist Conversations on April 5, 2018.The Fearless Benjamin Lay: The Quaker Dwarf Who Became the First Revolutionary Abolitionist, by Marcus Rediker (Beacon Press, 2017)I was asked by a Catholic friend if I knew Benjamin Lay, the Quaker abolitionist. I did not. She gave…See More
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Writer, editor, photographer. Retired prison counselor and librarian. Married to Jim Gleaton under the care of Columbia (SC) Friends Meeting on December 17, 1994. Christocentric-Universalist Friend, deeply informed by Buddhist and Pagan traditions.

Clerk of Jacksonville (FL) Friends Meeting and recording clerk for Southeastern Yearly Meeting executive committee. Editor of Quaker Universalist Conversations, blog of the Quaker Universalist Fellowship.
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Rescuing Romans 13:1-7 – How do we answer authoritarian use of these words?

Posted on 7th mo. 1, 2018 at 7:16am 10 Comments

Originally published on the Quaker Universalist Fellowship blog (6/30/18)

Amid the wide global turmoil stirred by America’s current flexing of authoritarian nationalism, a deeper spiritual turmoil has been brought to light by the current administration’s use of the apostle Paul’s Letter to the Romans.

There is a willful…

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Are Quakers Humanized? – A review of Steven Pinker’s "Enlightenment Now"

Posted on 4th mo. 3, 2018 at 2:38pm 0 Comments

Originally published on Quaker Universalist Conversations,

the blog of Quaker Universalist Fellowship, on March 22, 2018.


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Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2018 at 7:00am 15 Comments

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At 8:11am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, I'd been afraid I'd sounded unduly harsh, when I'd basically meant that there's a lot to Jesus-as-was that really hasn't entirely fit into anybody's book so far. & that much of the add-on stuff is also in character, & serves to develop our understandings. Some of the best interpretation I've found was by people who got the history wrong or just didn't care abt that end!

At 4:24pm on 11th mo. 22, 2014, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Mike, 

Thank you for your response to my questions on the Recovering History thread. It is much appreciated. I'm writing to you here because I had no thoughts to share that would further the specific discussion. 

Your closing words caught my attention:

My sense is that the driving motive Quaker faith in action is always this:

I must take care of my neighbor and refuse to comply with the hurtful policies of those in power anywhere--regardless of whether I change the actions of those in power.

I spent time with these words because they did not hit my mind cordially, and I was lost as to why. Slowly, the sense of it manifested in the resilience of silence. 

Presence is the motivation. Direct experience is Quaker faith in action. The direct, immediate experience of Christ's presence is the Principle; outward principles or rationalized conceptual constructs, abstractions such as care for neighbors or resistance to statist imposition, is outside of Presence itself. I am Presence and do not reference outward ideologies, theologies, principles, etc. as sources of motivation. If I help my neighbor or if I do not help my neighbor I do so in the direct experience and light of the inward Principle; anchored within conscious and informing conscience. In the Light their is no reflection upon or identity with and through the outward ideologies or principles. There is pure action in the freedom of the unrefracted light within ... Here the self-conscious ego, anchored in Presence, acts without predictions and in complete freedom without reference (without looking back on outward thoughts). This is Quaker faith in action.

I write this not in the expectation that these words are cordial to your mind or with any expectation that you agree with them. I appreciate you sharing your "sense" because, in doing so, you have helped me push through to a deeper walk in Presence.

 
 
 

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