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Copying Quakerism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kirby Urner 3rd month 20. 1 Reply

I've come to see Quakerism as a role playing opportunity, where you get to work with other adults on a live business with a social conscience.Mostly we don't get those opportunities in our daily…Continue

Friends Discussing Racism

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[ excerpt from one of Multnomah's several listservs, this one a study group that includes film-watching ]Really interesting documentary about a black man who tries to befriend members of the Klan and…Continue

Quaker Esoterica

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Today I get to teach more Martian Math in a local Catholic school. That's something I pioneered thanks to Saturday Academy and Reed College, and am likewise branding as "esoteric Quaker" (long story,…Continue

My Role Model Quakers

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My role model Quakers are the late 1700s industrialists who hoped the industrial age would give birth to benign forms of "company town" capitalism which honored workers and extended families.…Continue

 

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Kirby Urner replied to Sarah Spencer's discussion 'What's your experience of Quaker learning online?' in the group Online Quaker Studies
"I share about contemporary Quakerism using Slack channels."
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Kirby Urner commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
"What saves the institution of membership from degenerating into run-of-the-mill cronyism and cliquishness (the common lot of your average black box church) is transparency to non-members, i.e. no "members only" rituals and initiations.…"
3rd month 20
Kirby Urner commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
"I accept membership (the institution thereof) as one of fostering spiritual growth and commitment, as it's a public declaration ("I am a Friend") backed by the meeting's agreeing to authenticate the claim ("yes, he or she is…"
3rd month 20
Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Copying Quakerism'
"Regarding these remote campus villages, Quaker or not, I've written a lot of science fiction: http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/search?q=XRL"
3rd month 20
Kirby Urner posted a discussion

Copying Quakerism

I've come to see Quakerism as a role playing opportunity, where you get to work with other adults on a live business with a social conscience.Mostly we don't get those opportunities in our daily lives, to put faith into practice, or so it seems. Nor do we have an egalitarian committee structure to serve on.So Quakers provide a public service: a place to practice and refine skills, engage in process, workflows. All the more interesting is our not using Robert's Rules of Order or even voting.I'd…See More
3rd month 19
Kirby Urner commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
"I felt how members only tolerate non-members at business meeting today, when we said only members could join the ad hoc fundraising committee for the new heating and cooling system we need. The implication is: the core infrastructure of the…"
3rd month 19
Kirby Urner commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
"I share the suspicion I detect in this posting by James, of the word "tolerance" as in "to tolerate" which somewhat means "to put up with" but without ever taking the time to really study and appreciate, even if as a…"
3rd month 13
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A Quaker Men's Group

I've been a stalwart of this Men's Group for many years now, although I was not present at its inception. When I moved back to Portland and sought friendship, twas the regional Gathering of Western Young Friends to which I felt attracted. Such beautiful people (Pan, Kate...). I still think so. However by now, in my late fifties, versus late twenties, I've shifted gears, and it's with these old farts and geezers, half of us dead, that I hang out with at Big Bear Camp, once a year. This…See More
3rd month 13
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Friends Discussing Racism

[ excerpt from one of Multnomah's several listservs, this one a study group that includes film-watching ]Really interesting documentary about a black man who tries to befriend members of the Klan and convince them to quit. Lew and I saw it on PBS the other night and we were hoping other folks would watch it so we can talk about it. Check it out…See More
2nd month 18
Kirby Urner commented on Jay Thatcher's blog post 'Prophets on the Field of Play'
"Hard to know what to make of I Kings 13 and yes I've been surfing the commentaries. As usual, the Old Testament God seems eager to get down in the muck with his humans and play an almost corporeal role, which is confusing to everyone, even…"
2nd month 18
Kirby Urner commented on Jay Thatcher's blog post 'Prophets on the Field of Play'
"Excellent article, very apropos. I admire Quakers of the late 1700s, big in business, steel especially, and we always associate "competition" with the evils of capitalism, ala "survival of the fittest" and the economics of…"
2nd month 17
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2nd month 9
Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Sharia Banking in Quaker Town: Why Not?'
2nd month 9
Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Real ... True Science has no regard for outward political agenda or those who profess political agenda.'
"This blog post you cited Keith, it seems really zoomed in and bureaucratic. I take it you're not debating point that the global climate is changing, but rather how that question is being addressed by specific government entities. Reminds me of…"
2nd month 9
Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Real ... True Science has no regard for outward political agenda or those who profess political agenda.'
"Yes Forrest, definitely habitat destruction. Also construction though, both "cay" and "decay" (entropy and syntropy). Margulis (who underlined that "biosphere" is the context, not just "climate") is a big fan…"
2nd month 8
Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Real ... True Science has no regard for outward political agenda or those who profess political agenda.'
"Regarding "climate change" I'm highly suspicious of this word "climate" which gets peoples attention off the biosphere as a whole, and thinking about something like "weather" but longer term. Now it's all…"
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A Quaker Men's Group

Posted on 3rd mo. 13, 2017 at 1:00pm 0 Comments



I've been a stalwart of this Men's Group for many years now, although I was not present at its inception.



When I moved back to Portland and sought friendship, twas the regional Gathering of Western Young Friends to which I felt attracted. Such beautiful people (Pan, Kate...). I still think so.



However by now, in my late fifties, versus late…
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On Racism Again

Posted on 2nd mo. 3, 2017 at 6:03pm 0 Comments

:: stand-up philosophy by Wes Cecil ::


What I wrote on Facebook:

Really enjoyed this, because he's doing philosophy and standup comedy at the same time. Gets my…
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War Studies

Posted on 1st mo. 16, 2017 at 3:16pm 0 Comments

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That famous folk song that goes "ain't gonna study war no more" seems clearly in the back of the mind of our writer, Friend Wolf Mendl, as he opens with a defense: "Why would a Quaker, a subclass of Pacifist, study and/or play war games?"  Obviously, in order to end…
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13th (movie review)

Posted on 1st mo. 8, 2017 at 1:30pm 2 Comments

Friends gathered at the Stark Street meetinghouse for this public-invited showing of 13th, a widely distributed, award-winning documentary about the ongoing cultural and civil war in North America.

Although Lincoln declared the slaves free, an opening shot in his war to preserve the Union, the South was not on board with providing them with full human rights overnight.  Women couldn't vote yet either.  A system of apartheid…

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At 11:59pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

While I agree with your sentiment to it is not about either/or.

For me, it is an issue of just being honest about the reality. There just are many people, by their own admission and not my characterization, whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by outward forms generally speaking. These people make up the majority of people on this earth. There is also a smaller number of people on this earth whose conscious, generally speaking, is anchored in and whose conscience, generally speaking,  is informed by direct and unmediated inherent self-existence or Presence itself in itself without regard to outward practices, institutions, teachers, leaders, theologies, religions, etc. 

The very nature of the former is to break up into various outward "brands," as you say, while the later has no real issue with outward branding because they do not participate in that way of existence. They profess no outward marks, forms, or practices by which they themselves or others may know them as under the pale of direct and unmediated Presence itself in itself. It is the establishing of outward forms that nurture the manifestation of various brands. Those early Quakers, who followed Foxonian innovation, and eventually turned back again to established outward ways, practices, and traditions, nurtured the manifestation of the various brands that now make up the Quakerism of today that is anchored in and informed by outward forms. 

There has been those from the beginnings of the Children of Light, as there are today, who are not  stakeholders in the establishment and perpetuation of any outward religion, practice, tradition, politic, economy, institutions, etc. so that there is no occasion for branding or disunity amongst those gathered into and governed by direct and unmediated Spirit itself in itself.

Anarchy is the lack of governance. The Children of Light whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by Presence know the direct and unmediated governance of the same Presence itself in itself. 

Thank you, Keith

At 9:22am on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

Recently you wrote:

I'm a Wittgenstein student and don't buy that names point to things, even in the simple case. Words are tools and their use defines them, not some mysterious "pointing". "Language on the one hand, real object on the other" -- that's a simplification that only gets one entangled in confusions.

Mathematics is not metaphorical if it's not trying to be "about" anything beyond itself. Chess, the game, is not really a "metaphor" for a war either, or if it is, it's not a war like we've ever seen. Games have their own integrity. They don't need to be "metaphoric".

Note: Santa and Satan differ only by letter arrangement, like Dog and God.

Your words are compelling and I've spent much time with them. I appreciate your observation that "Games have their own integrity" and I agree. In the same way that equations, theologies, institutions, languages, etc. have their own integrity. The physical world has its own integrity. Ecosystems have their own integrity. Economies have their own integrity. Church frameworks have their own integrity. Idols or icons and similitudes have their own integrity. An idol certainly does not need to point to anything beyond itself and often does not. It has its own integrity. This is the reality of things for many people on this earth and I affirm the truth of it.

With that said, there are others on this earth who re-create (for example, participate in gaming or worship) in the very activity of living itself so that we do not engage in setting aside outward frameworks within which we go about re-creating or worshipping for that matter. While we acknowledge the existence of outward gaming and worship frameworks or platforms, we may not participate in them because we live in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself. Living in the activity of re-creating or worshipping in all moments and circumstance in daily life makes entering into an outwardly established gaming, economic, religious, worship, and political, platforms or frameworks unnecessary. As with many of the founding Quakers (not all), we do not participate in the establishment or setting aside of outward religious institutions and instrumentalities and practices because those outward forms are not relevant to our experience which is established Itself in itself. We participate in the activity of worship and re-creating in every moment of our lives. Our conscious is not anchored in and our conscience is not informed by outward gaming or worshipping frameworks. In the same way,  we do not set aside or participate holy-days because a conscious anchored in and a conscious informed in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself knows a life that is holy in all moments and circumstances. It is just not necessary to set aside outward special days and times of holiness or celebration; even as we acknowledge the "integrity" of those outward holy-days for many people even when those holy-days and the language of those holy-days are not metaphoric in any way.

Thanks you for your words.

Keith

At 6:03pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, it's a little backasswards how this works -- but then we don't end up with all the liter in the same place. I really agree about The Exam; I get Spot Quizzes instead. (I don't always like the way these turn out!)

I did a poem once abt:

'Practice the corpse pose;it will be on The Exam'

but then so are sunsets.

The trouble with "How effective were you as an activist?" is that Jesus would have flunked that one. So maybe it's not such a good question. At best (unless you died of being thumped by a cop) you'd still face a further question: "Yes, but what have you done for Me lately?"

At 5:09pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

I'm liking your last rant over on Keith's piece (where it really is slightly off-topic, alas!)

But (begging the question of whether there is such a thing) I really can't see "How effective were you as an activist?" being among the questions on The Exam.

 
 
 

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