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Quakerism and Religious Freedom

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kirby Urner 5th month 8. 2 Replies

I've only recently learned what a lot of people already know:  the well-advertised Shen Yun dance extravaganza is put on by the Falun Gong, a religious sect many mainstream Chinese tend to demonize…Continue

Of Quakerism & Science Fiction

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In my Quaker Journal I curate some videos I've published, wherein I talk about…Continue

From the Underground Railroad

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From the Underground Railroad is a story I published on Medium, which one may read at no charge.  Nothing especially new, if you're familiar with my writing, another snapshot of a life in progress.…Continue

Are the Great Religions Fighting?

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I'd say the short answer is no, the great religions are not at war with one another, but that within any great religion are likely some practitioners who do have the perspective of fighting to the…Continue

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Kirby Urner replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Quakerism and Religious Freedom'
"Thanks for joining the discussion.  Yeah, one line or word summaries of a complex conversation don't begin to explore the nuances. I have very little insight into Falun Gong attitudes regarding queerness, a broader term than gay. Certainly…"
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jay replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Quakerism and Religious Freedom'
"Great message, thanks!  As you point out, it's not a simple question of good guys Vs bad guys though in my opinion one can talk about power Vs people. One should also point out, I think, that if America was engineered to offer asylum it…"
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On Recording One's Affiliation with Friends

As a clerk of IT (information technology) for our Yearly Meeting, I studied the work of our indigenous members, who were busy building our multi-meeting database. That baton has since been passed, and the work continues.  We haven't outsourced (yet) to a non-Quaker commercial firm.  We use PHP with MySQL.In my day, we kept track of meeting membership and, ideally, current…See More
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Kirby Urner commented on Kirby Urner's blog post 'A Campus Curriculum'
"http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2019/04/facebook-rant.htmlI have a followup query at the end of my video."
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A Campus Curriculum

I'm reaching out to Friends in higher education with my recent Youtubes, which I'm free to distribute outside of Alphabet (Google) just as well.  A lot of my viewers don't ever watch Youtubes.Scouting developed as a result of some folks wanting to abstract the fun part of military campaigning. Lets not perpetuate everything about the trenches of the guinea pig generations (whom we'll never forget), and keep the good parts. Call it "Camping".  Invent "Scouting".  Both are by this time embraced…See More
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Quakerism and Religious Freedom

I've only recently learned what a lot of people already know:  the well-advertised Shen Yun dance extravaganza is put on by the Falun Gong, a religious sect many mainstream Chinese tend to demonize or at least look  down upon. What I've known for a longer time is North America, Pennsylvania in particular, hosts the spiritual leader of a similarly persecuted religious sect, the Sufi mystic, Fethullah Gülen.The story there, as I tell it, is young, idealistic, intelligent Turkish people were…See More
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Video Blogging: Quaker Journaling 3.0

Quaker Journaling 2.0 was ordinary blogging.See More
3rd month 16
David McKay commented on Kirby Urner's blog post 'Grokking Quakers'
"And whaling. Nantucket Quakers made some big bucks hunting whales."
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Grokking Quakers

[ originally posted on Medium ]Do you know the etymology of “grok”? To the best of my knowledge, it comes from Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert Heinlein.You’d think I’d have talked a lot more about that book by this point. Why do I say that? Because I’m a devotee of science fiction, which I use to inform my mathematics.“To grok” means “to comprehend deeply” if I’m not mistaken, to…See More
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Of Quakerism & Science Fiction

In my Quaker Journal I curate some videos I've published, wherein I talk about Quakerism, at least in two of them. I was inspired by the recent book Quakernomics, in how it draws from The Iron Bridge, a work of science fiction (starring Quakers), for its insights. I'm a big believer in science fiction giving us the headspace we need to actually usher in whatever future.We all…See More
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From the Underground Railroad

From the Underground Railroad is a story I published on Medium, which one may read at no charge.  Nothing especially new, if you're familiar with my writing, another snapshot of a life in progress.https://medium.com/@kirbyurner/from-the-underground-railroad-93390c678891Medium provides its own commenting / response system. Given I mention Friends a few times, and bind myself to them, I feel it's appropriate…See More
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Kirby Urner replied to Mike Shell's discussion '"From the Editor's Desk" - January/February Western Friend'
"Good interview of my mom in this issue too."
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Are the Great Religions Fighting?

I'd say the short answer is no, the great religions are not at war with one another, but that within any great religion are likely some practitioners who do have the perspective of fighting to the death for one religion against the others.I remember being in Cape Town in 1999 with my wife and newborn, met there by my parents, then refugees (from the US) in Lesotho. This was the Parliament of World Religions, which took place at a polytechnical institute. Science was represented, given a whole…See More
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Kirby Urner replied to Mad JW's discussion 'Where Does TRUTH Enter the Picture?'
"What doth your Inner Christ say?"
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On Recording One's Affiliation with Friends

Posted on 4th mo. 27, 2019 at 4:30pm 1 Comment

As a clerk of IT (information technology) for our Yearly Meeting, I studied the work of our indigenous members, who were busy building our multi-meeting database. That baton has since been passed, and the work continues.  We haven't outsourced (yet) to a non-Quaker commercial firm.  We use PHP with MySQL.

In my day, we kept track of meeting…

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A Campus Curriculum

Posted on 4th mo. 13, 2019 at 8:00pm 1 Comment



I'm reaching out to Friends in higher education with my recent Youtubes, which I'm free to distribute outside of Alphabet (Google) just as well.  A lot of my viewers don't ever watch Youtubes.

Scouting developed as a result of some folks wanting to abstract the fun part of military campaigning. Lets not…

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Video Blogging: Quaker Journaling 3.0

Posted on 3rd mo. 16, 2019 at 5:28pm 0 Comments

Quaker Journaling 2.0 was ordinary blogging.

Grokking Quakers

Posted on 3rd mo. 12, 2019 at 5:35pm 1 Comment

[ originally posted on Medium ]

Do you know the etymology of “grok”? To the best of my knowledge, it comes from Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert Heinlein.

You’d think I’d have talked a lot more about…

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At 11:59pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

While I agree with your sentiment to it is not about either/or.

For me, it is an issue of just being honest about the reality. There just are many people, by their own admission and not my characterization, whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by outward forms generally speaking. These people make up the majority of people on this earth. There is also a smaller number of people on this earth whose conscious, generally speaking, is anchored in and whose conscience, generally speaking,  is informed by direct and unmediated inherent self-existence or Presence itself in itself without regard to outward practices, institutions, teachers, leaders, theologies, religions, etc. 

The very nature of the former is to break up into various outward "brands," as you say, while the later has no real issue with outward branding because they do not participate in that way of existence. They profess no outward marks, forms, or practices by which they themselves or others may know them as under the pale of direct and unmediated Presence itself in itself. It is the establishing of outward forms that nurture the manifestation of various brands. Those early Quakers, who followed Foxonian innovation, and eventually turned back again to established outward ways, practices, and traditions, nurtured the manifestation of the various brands that now make up the Quakerism of today that is anchored in and informed by outward forms. 

There has been those from the beginnings of the Children of Light, as there are today, who are not  stakeholders in the establishment and perpetuation of any outward religion, practice, tradition, politic, economy, institutions, etc. so that there is no occasion for branding or disunity amongst those gathered into and governed by direct and unmediated Spirit itself in itself.

Anarchy is the lack of governance. The Children of Light whose conscious is anchored in and whose conscience is informed by Presence know the direct and unmediated governance of the same Presence itself in itself. 

Thank you, Keith

At 9:22am on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Keith Saylor said…

Hello Kirby,

Recently you wrote:

I'm a Wittgenstein student and don't buy that names point to things, even in the simple case. Words are tools and their use defines them, not some mysterious "pointing". "Language on the one hand, real object on the other" -- that's a simplification that only gets one entangled in confusions.

Mathematics is not metaphorical if it's not trying to be "about" anything beyond itself. Chess, the game, is not really a "metaphor" for a war either, or if it is, it's not a war like we've ever seen. Games have their own integrity. They don't need to be "metaphoric".

Note: Santa and Satan differ only by letter arrangement, like Dog and God.

Your words are compelling and I've spent much time with them. I appreciate your observation that "Games have their own integrity" and I agree. In the same way that equations, theologies, institutions, languages, etc. have their own integrity. The physical world has its own integrity. Ecosystems have their own integrity. Economies have their own integrity. Church frameworks have their own integrity. Idols or icons and similitudes have their own integrity. An idol certainly does not need to point to anything beyond itself and often does not. It has its own integrity. This is the reality of things for many people on this earth and I affirm the truth of it.

With that said, there are others on this earth who re-create (for example, participate in gaming or worship) in the very activity of living itself so that we do not engage in setting aside outward frameworks within which we go about re-creating or worshipping for that matter. While we acknowledge the existence of outward gaming and worship frameworks or platforms, we may not participate in them because we live in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself. Living in the activity of re-creating or worshipping in all moments and circumstance in daily life makes entering into an outwardly established gaming, economic, religious, worship, and political, platforms or frameworks unnecessary. As with many of the founding Quakers (not all), we do not participate in the establishment or setting aside of outward religious institutions and instrumentalities and practices because those outward forms are not relevant to our experience which is established Itself in itself. We participate in the activity of worship and re-creating in every moment of our lives. Our conscious is not anchored in and our conscience is not informed by outward gaming or worshipping frameworks. In the same way,  we do not set aside or participate holy-days because a conscious anchored in and a conscious informed in the activity of re-creating or worshipping itself in itself knows a life that is holy in all moments and circumstances. It is just not necessary to set aside outward special days and times of holiness or celebration; even as we acknowledge the "integrity" of those outward holy-days for many people even when those holy-days and the language of those holy-days are not metaphoric in any way.

Thanks you for your words.

Keith

At 6:03pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

Yeah, it's a little backasswards how this works -- but then we don't end up with all the liter in the same place. I really agree about The Exam; I get Spot Quizzes instead. (I don't always like the way these turn out!)

I did a poem once abt:

'Practice the corpse pose;it will be on The Exam'

but then so are sunsets.

The trouble with "How effective were you as an activist?" is that Jesus would have flunked that one. So maybe it's not such a good question. At best (unless you died of being thumped by a cop) you'd still face a further question: "Yes, but what have you done for Me lately?"

At 5:09pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Forrest Curo said…

I'm liking your last rant over on Keith's piece (where it really is slightly off-topic, alas!)

But (begging the question of whether there is such a thing) I really can't see "How effective were you as an activist?" being among the questions on The Exam.

 
 
 

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A Campus Curriculum

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