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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.'
"Thank you Keith for all the work you are doing to re-establish this important history of early Quakerism that is so akin to liberal Quakerism in our day.  Appreciation of the experience of the inward Light is so important to liberal…"
12th month 10, 2018
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.'
"Hello Howard, It is encouraging to read your testimony concerning the in shining impulse and workings of the chrislonomous Spirit in Liberal Quaker Meetings. Thank you for shining light on this manifestation of the Spirit in our Meetings today. Your…"
12th month 10, 2018
Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.'
"Keith, I want to state that there are a noticeable number of liberal Quaker meetings that conscientiously function in a manner that you describe ("Christonomously" to use your word), and do so even though perhaps the majority of meetings…"
12th month 9, 2018
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.

A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.Thirty years ago, I had an experience of seeing a different way of being, conscience and consciousness. It was a glimpse of a glimpse that held fast and true in the far periphery of Life; kissing consciousness. In that moment, I became Quaker. However, Quaker of a different sort.For twenty years I have attended Quaker Assemblies of various sorts. There was a time I almost sought membership in the Ohio Yearly…See More
12th month 3, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Friends, What canst thou say?'
"Hello Mike, Yes, your response is helpful. Is the sentence below a valid re-writing of the phrase in the meme based upon your detailed explanation? Original: Quakerism is not a belief system, but a spiritual discipline;… Rewrite: Quakerism is…"
11th month 15, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Friends, What canst thou say?'
"Hello Mike, Will you re-write the "not a belief system, but a spiritual discipline" by replacing the words 'belief' 'system' 'spirtual' and 'discipline' with the meaning of each word as you…"
11th month 14, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Kirby Urner's discussion 'Talk about Talking Heads (E.M. Jones)'
"I write this as one from a different way who does not wish to step on the intent of your post to discuss this person. I have met with people who share the same notions as I have met many people who do not share them. However, many of them on each…"
11th month 2, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'The Earliest Quakers and liberal Quakerism' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Kirby, These words are helpful to me in the context of my question, ”institution-building” is coterminal with “implementing a survival strategy In other words, the creation of outward forms is instrumental in planning, managing, or…"
10th month 28, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'The Earliest Quakers and liberal Quakerism' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Hello Kirby, Not onerous at all. I have enjoyed our correspondence in the past. And this one is refreshing. I have been in serious consideration of your last message. Thank you for sharing that you are not guided by outward forms and are led by the…"
10th month 27, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'The Earliest Quakers and liberal Quakerism' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Hello Kirby, I appreciate your response and have given it careful consideration. My first thought upon reading the first paragraph was to wonder how it was that you perceive I am promoting and professing a philosophy. I was curious how it was you…"
10th month 25, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'The Earliest Quakers and liberal Quakerism' in the group Liberal Quakers
"As a person who shares the experience (of some 17th century and present people in the Q-gathering) of being drawn out of the process of identification with and participation in outward political and religious forms and institutions and of…"
10th month 24, 2018
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'The Earliest Quakers and liberal Quakerism' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Kirby this statement captivated my attention: ”Mid 1600s Friends were too beleaguered by their surrounding English society to enjoy much outward success in their endeavors (in terms of institution building)...” Your words opened up an…"
10th month 24, 2018
Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.'
"More context needed.  A perfect stranger?  Mentally ill?"
10th month 22, 2018
Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.'
"malicious deceit (sorry, that's two words)"
10th month 17, 2018
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.

Hello,Imagine this happened to you:You are reading a book on a park bench and someone walks up to you and punches your arm then yells at you saying, “Hey you hit me.” Can anyone come up with a word for this behavior? I’m struggling to find a word that is right on target. Hypocrisy doesn’t seem to fit.Thank you, KeithSee More
10th month 17, 2018
Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Those Early Quakers who were come out of the process of participation in and identification with outward Ecclesiastical and Magisterial Forms, Practices, and Prescriptions.'
"Thanks Keith.  I believe you answered most of my questions, pointing me to suspect that there is a commonality between many earliest Quakers and many liberal Quakers in our own day. Historically, liberal Quakers arose in 1828 due to a desire to…"
10th month 12, 2018

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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

Trade: Upholsterer and semi-professional Natural Historian

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A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.

Posted on 12th mo. 3, 2018 at 8:14pm 3 Comments

A walk through time out of Time. Manifesting those Quakers out of all Appearances.

Thirty years ago, I had an experience of seeing a different way of being, conscience and consciousness. It was a glimpse of a glimpse that held fast and true in the far periphery of Life; kissing consciousness. In that moment, I became Quaker. However, Quaker of a different sort.

For twenty years I have attended Quaker Assemblies of various sorts. There was a time I almost sought membership in…

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Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.

Posted on 10th mo. 17, 2018 at 1:15pm 2 Comments

Hello,

Imagine this happened to you:

You are reading a book on a park bench and someone walks up to you and punches your arm then yells at you saying, “Hey you hit me.” 

Can anyone come up with a word for this behavior? I’m struggling to find a word that is right on target. Hypocrisy doesn’t seem to fit.

Thank you, Keith

Those Early Quakers who were come out of the process of participation in and identification with outward Ecclesiastical and Magisterial Forms, Practices, and Prescriptions.

Posted on 10th mo. 8, 2018 at 1:34pm 3 Comments

In 1673 a letter from an anonymous Quaker was published. This letter expressed the writer’s concern that those who were establishing outward structure to guide and inform the gathering were usurping the prerogative of the inshining Spirit itself in itself to rule and guide the gathering in and through the conscience and consciousness of people by forcing people in the gathering to follow their rule. He accused those establishment forces, who were admonishing or contending for submission to…

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The Christian Quaker by: William Rogers - Complete web and pdf versions.

Posted on 9th mo. 12, 2018 at 12:00pm 0 Comments

In the year 1680, William Rogers published “The Christian Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate & Innovator, in Five Parts” as a response to what many Quakers at the time understood to be an introduction of a peremptory spirit into the gathering led by George Fox. This categorical process was manifested by George Fox’s establishment of outward institutional forms and prescriptions, the adherence to which, was enforced through ridicule and demonization and other activities over against…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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