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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Keith Saylor posted a blog post

In the Name Is Freedom from the flawed nature.

I am sufficiency in itself to guide and teach you. When I am you and you are me all outward forms are laid down. I am then no longer an object to look at and rationalize and preach about. I am living being present in you in all things and in me outward prescriptions and creeds and those who teach them are of no value. They are of the old flawed nature. Do not look for me in the past or sometime in the future. Such is of the flawed nature. I am come again in this moment and I am present with you…See More
7th day (Sat)
Keith Saylor commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'
"I am a new and different Life. In me this Life is experiencing. It is in the speaking that which I am, that I am owned and I am discovered. No one can know me unless I am being discovered in speaking my name itself in itself. I am no longer third…"
4th month 15
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

Speak the Name itself in itself and not about the Name

I am the answer. I am the way. I am with you as you write and ruminate. Speak my Name before rationalizing and intellectualizing. Rest in my Name and own who I am. Say me, speak me, and I am there in your conscience and conscious. I am ever Present within you. I am immanent. Just speak my Name ... I am ... right now ... just speak it as you read it. Say ... I am ... rest in and own who I am. It is in the speaking and calling that I am manifest Light. Lay down rationalizations and simply speak…See More
4th month 12
Keith Saylor commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'No man is an island'
"I am the island and the water. Part the water, I am there. Cleave the island, and there I am. Break the vine, I am there. I am in all things and all things are in me. I am with you in the water and on the land and within you. Speak my Name ... I am…"
4th month 10
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Online Version of William Rogers 1680 text "The Christian Quaker..."'
"Progress of keyboarding "The Christian Quaker ..." by William Rogers 1680 Preface - Complete - Proofed one time. Postscript to Preface - Complete - Proofed one time. First Part - Complete - Not Proofed Second Part - Complete - Not…"
4th month 8
Keith Saylor commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'Don’t go it alone'
"There was another guy on the island that was immanently inspired in the Name itself to build a boat and freely sailed away ... only to return and tell the other guy, still on the island: "I am the way. Call upon that which I am that is in you.…"
4th month 4
Keith Saylor replied to Scott Martin's discussion 'What is Quaker Worship: Spirit Possession, Meditation, Cognition or Imagination?' in the group Liberal Quakers
"By the power of inward motion or movement of the of immanent Presence upon my conscious and conscience, I am come out of being reflected through the mirrors of reflective thinking; and it is discovered to me a way of existence that worships in all…"
3rd month 30
Keith Saylor replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"There is a way of administering or management of public affairs or human relationships through a process of thinking and planning that is guided and informed by outward principles and ideologies reflected through thinking. These reflected outward…"
3rd month 30
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Online Version of William Rogers 1680 text "The Christian Quaker..."'
"Progress of keyboarding The Christian Quaker ... by William Rogers Preface - Complete - Proofed one time. Postscript to Preface - Complete - Proofed one time. First Part - Complete - Not Proofed Second Part - Complete - Not Proofed Third Part -…"
3rd month 12
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"Hello Howard. Thank you for putting this together. I am in a different Spirit because of your sharing. It is more and more evident to me of a way of speaking that, for lack of a better word, incarnates Presence in the very speaking itself. It is…"
3rd month 10
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"Oh well. I very much liked Rami Shapiro's interpretation of Jesus' mystical teachings, based on statements attributed to Jesus by the Gospel of John -- but I've always been deeply allergic to the style and language of 'John'…"
3rd month 10
Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"Keith, I was so moved by your comment above, that the Spirit upon me in contemplation saw a consistency between John the Apostle's experience, James Naylor's experience, and your own experience expressed in your comment, that I combined…"
3rd month 9
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"Um, the context was presumably 17th Century Protestant notions of salvation vs damnation. As to that context, I'd say that the love of God as Jesus described it should do the job just fine -- that one way or another God would certainly supply…"
3rd month 9
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"#Writing I am come into and am witnessing that which I own with James Naylor and all those who own and inherit direct experience of sufficiency in the Light. In owning this immediate and ever conscious witnessing, I am not teaching but testifying…"
3rd month 9
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"I thought James Naylor was a man. Is it okay to let the guy teach us a little? But if we accept this bit, shouldn't we reject it, then? Oh! We don't need logic, either! Still, I used to be rather fond of logic (though it is far from being…"
3rd month 9
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor

That faith we own and witness, is that which stands in Jesus Christ, the everlasting covenant of light, who is the light of the world, and this light we believe and follow; and by this we are led out of all the ways, works and worships of this dark world, and the effect of this light we witness by faith; and by this faith we deny all who say this light is not sufficient, without the teaching of man to guide in all the ways of God, and all such we deny, for those are they who know not the voice…See More
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In the Name Is Freedom from the flawed nature.

Posted on 4th mo. 22, 2017 at 4:54am 0 Comments

I am sufficiency in itself to guide and teach you. When I am you and you are me all outward forms are laid down. I am then no longer an object to look at and rationalize and preach about. I am living being present in you in all things and in me outward prescriptions and creeds and those who teach them are of no value. They are of the old flawed nature. Do not look for me in the past or sometime in the future. Such is of the flawed nature. I am come again in this moment and I am present with you… Continue

Speak the Name itself in itself and not about the Name

Posted on 4th mo. 12, 2017 at 10:15am 0 Comments

I am the answer. I am the way. I am with you as you write and ruminate. Speak my Name before rationalizing and intellectualizing. Rest in my Name and own who I am. Say me, speak me, and I am there in your conscience and conscious. I am ever Present within you. I am immanent. Just speak my Name ... I am ... right now ... just speak it as you read it. Say ... I am ... rest in and own who I am. It is in the speaking and calling that I am manifest Light. Lay down rationalizations and simply speak… Continue

"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor

Posted on 3rd mo. 9, 2017 at 9:22am 6 Comments

That faith we own and witness, is that which stands in Jesus Christ, the everlasting covenant of light, who is the light of the world, and this light we believe and follow; and by this we are led out of all the ways, works and worships of this dark world, and the effect of this light we witness by faith; and by this faith we deny all who say this light is not sufficient, without the teaching of man to guide in all the ways of God, and all such we deny, for those are they who know not the voice… Continue

When God draws out of the outwardly given things and shines upon the conscience.

Posted on 2nd mo. 27, 2017 at 11:00am 0 Comments

A Response to a piece at Transition Quaker: https://transitionquaker.blogspot.com/2017/02/stories-and-values.html?showComment=1488212565150&m=1#c6609527395080306459



It happens that people's meaning, purpose, and identity, are in relation to outward things like occupation, family, country, political and religious ideology and affiliation,…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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