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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"It is true people, throughout the history of Quakerism, have used the failings of a few in gathering to excuse and justify the turning from a faith in the sufficiency of the inshining Light of Jesus Christ in itself to guide and government in the…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"There is "a hard and fast line between outward or expired thoughts and feelings and inspired immanence. The line is in the conscious and conscience of human being. Once inspired or enthused immanence is come into the conscious and conscience,…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"In the preface of Bownas' A Description of the Qualifications Necessary to a Gospel Minister ... it is written> "But if any should object, "You profess to have the spirit of truth which guideth into all truth," (John. xvi., 1…"
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Keith Saylor replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"Thank you for sharing the blessing and grace your gathering is discovering in devotion to in shining Light upon your consciences. Your testimony of your Meeting always brings me back to this long quote from Isaac Pennington. I yhinkbI've shared…"
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Keith Saylor replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"Hello David, Thank you for your response. It hit my mind Cordially. I honor and affirm your journey in the Light. May there be many sparklings of Light in your conscious and conscience upon your journey. Your mention of "empty" forms…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Online Version of William Rogers 1680 text "The Christian Quaker..."'
"PROGRESS UPDATE I have now finished keyboarding the Third Part of William Rogers The Christian Quaker ... Having keyboarded 404 pages of his Manuscript with another approximately 200 pages to go. Completing the Third Part is a huge milestone for…"
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Keith Saylor replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"I stand before each of you testifying to my witness that I am come and am coming out of a conscious anchored in and a conscience informed by outward political and religious ideological and institutional constructs. This witness is not an outward…"
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Keith Saylor replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"Thank you Howard. As always, I wish I were able to express myself as well as you express your witness."
1st day (Sun)
Keith Saylor replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"David, "This is perhaps why when I think about beliefs — minor others — I see them as the DNA for practical action rather than as truths (in the Truth, with a capital T sense). Our beliefs can have multiple roles in our lives and…"
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Keith Saylor replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"This discussion is of much curiosity to me because it is coming home to me that the insuring Light upon my conscious and conscience is discovering to me an ever growing disconnect between outward intellectual constructs like depravity. That is the…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"I am in agreement with you James. It is merely that there is another way of suggesting or recommending others go about working through the restlessness you so correctly bring forward. The most common way is to suggest people turn to outward forms…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
""Do you feel safe in this world as you are, as it is?" Yes, Absolutely."
2nd month 17
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A Response to Daniel Wilcox'
"What I'd say about my own realization? Is that I'm not always sufficiently aware of God, but find God at work in what happens all the same."
2nd month 11
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A Response to Daniel Wilcox'
"I am not your teacher. But what I have observed -- for whatever enlightenment you might find in it -- is that your realization looks to be more menu than meal. Some day I'd like to see it take a freer, less defensive, more creative way of…"
2nd month 10
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A Response to Daniel Wilcox'
"Hello Forrest, Yes, I am relentless. Immanent Presence first appeared onto my conscious and conscience when I was twenty five years old. Over the past 29 years I have my participation with and in the inshining Light has been a journey between…"
2nd month 10
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'A Response to Daniel Wilcox'
"I think the point is this: When you become attuned to God's Spirit within, the results (as that tuning develops) are supposed to become more in accord with what God wants of us. Paul has his list of "fruits of the Spirit", while…"
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Real ... True Science has no regard for outward political agenda or those who profess political agenda.

Posted on 2nd mo. 6, 2017 at 9:00am 15 Comments

As a natural historian who has engaged in scientific study both as a paid researcher and privately, these examples of people (especially in government institutions that are funded with taxpayer money) justifying political policy under the pretense of flawed scientific results based on flawed and manipulated data sets, are always disturbing.



For your consideration:



Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming… Continue

A Response to Hye Sung Francis

Posted on 2nd mo. 3, 2017 at 11:30pm 0 Comments

Source: https://hyesungfrancis.com/2017/02/01/this-has-always-been-the-cost/





Some text pulled from "The Christian Quaker ..." written in 1680 by William Rogers, for your consideration and recommendation. Spelling and Usage has not been updated.



We acknowledge that we owe Obedience either Active or Passive unto this Magistracy; and that such obedience is as well grounded in the Light of… Continue

A Response to Daniel Wilcox

Posted on 2nd mo. 1, 2017 at 4:52pm 20 Comments

Source: http://infiniteoceanoflightandlove.blogspot.com/2017/01/in-midst-of-quaker-meeting-fragmentation.html

It is curious to me the author does not recognize the Quaker way wherein those gathered in the sufficiency of the inshining Light in the conscious and conscience are come out of these "types" or forms ("the mystical, the evangelical, the rational,…

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A Response to Adria Gulizia

Posted on 1st mo. 31, 2017 at 12:24pm 0 Comments

Source: https://shadowofbabylon.com/2017/01/20/why-conviction-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-41





I do not share your negative conviction concerning the recent election. I attended the 1980 republican convention in Detroit as a young republican and witnessed the elation and exuberance of those who voted for Ronald Reagan. I also attended to and observed the tears and fears of… Continue

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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