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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"@: God's Guidance The notion of seeking God's guidance is more and more a stumbling block than helpful in my participation with God. As with breathing, so I am come into a participation with immanent Presence (God) wherein there is not so…"
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Third Haven Friends ... Easton, Maryland

I attended Third Haven Friends Meeting in Easton, Maryland yesterday. One hour of silent meeting goes by too quickly. The sense of history anchors the experience of place.
10th month 3, 2016
Keith Saylor commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'Doing Our Part'
"Are you labeling the topic of this post as nihilist? Is that your intent? I hope it is not so. If so, I must be of a different conscious and my conscience is guided from a different source. In the presence of God say it is not so."
10th month 3, 2016
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Lay down all outward weapons of war ... physical and ideological.

Lay down outward ideological weapons as you lay laid down outward hardware of war. Stop ideological warfare nurtured in the nursery of the outward political, religious, social, and economic, powers and principles of this world.Christ is come again into this world, inshining into our conscious and conscience. This inshining is an unwinding from a conscious anchored in and a conscience informed around the orbits of outward religious, political, social, and economic, ideological constructs like…See More
9th month 25, 2016
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Online Version of William Rogers 1680 text "The Christian Quaker..."

In 1680 Friend William Rogers published a book documenting why some founding Friends were not of the same conscience as George Fox (and those who followed him) concerning the institutionalization of the gathering of Friends by establishing a specific set of outward forms and practices. The following links comprise the whole of Rogers' work in the form of a facsimile of the original text. This is not a modernized form of the text. It is a copy I have compiled of the 17th century text rendered…See More
9th month 24, 2016
Forrest Curo replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"I think we've agreed that opposite sides of this conflict feed into one another. I don't get the feeling you understand that no number of "community organizers, social justice warriors, and political agitators" could move people…"
9th month 23, 2016
Keith Saylor replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"The subject of this thread is: "There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive outward guidance…"
9th month 23, 2016
Forrest Curo replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"Is this the sort of experience of Jesus that came to GW Bush to encourage him to bomb Iraq? -- or an experience of the man who once died on a cross because of his public denunciations of the outward injustices and oppressions perpetrated by the…"
9th month 23, 2016
Keith Saylor replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
""and an idolatrous attitude towards one mode of transmission over another simply facilitates both deception and self-deception." If this is your way of sharing your observation and conclusion that I am idolatrous and deceptive, I accept…"
9th month 23, 2016
Forrest Curo replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"I've done my own idolatries and self-deceptions, hence have no reason to accuse anyone of falling into such a condition. To observe and conclude, that is another matter."
9th month 23, 2016
Keith Saylor replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
""and an idolatrous attitude towards one mode of transmission over another simply facilitates both deception and self-deception." If this is your way of accusing me of idolatry and deception, I accept and acknowledge that you think me…"
9th month 23, 2016
Forrest Curo replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"My personal and intuitive experience says that the significant money is from people who benefit from ongoing cruel inequalities, and that it goes to support think tanks and other defenders of the secularly powerful. There is a long tradition of…"
9th month 23, 2016
Keith Saylor replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"--- Forrest, "There seems to also be a cycle of action & reaction going between you and me..." "Does it occur to you that I've been providing a necessary corrective to external influences on your own thinking which…"
9th month 23, 2016
Forrest Curo replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"There is a vicious cycle established between people who live in the area and those who've been designated by outside authorities to force their order on those people. To lay the burden of de-escalation on one side or the other suggests that one…"
9th month 23, 2016
Keith Saylor replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"Thank you for the link Howard. I missed it."
9th month 23, 2016
Howard Brod replied to Keith Saylor's discussion 'In Charlotte ...'
"There is a liberal Quaker meeting (with a meetinghouse) in Charlotte--> Charlotte Friends Meeting.  Although there are several branches of Quakers in North Carolina and plenty of Quakers all over the state, I think there is only liberal…"
9th month 22, 2016

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The Witness that Stunned ...

Posted on 7th mo. 18, 2017 at 1:00pm 8 Comments

The Witness that Stunned ...



I empathize with people who are come out of or who are coming out of a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by outward forms and are come into a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by the direct and unmediated impulse of immanent Presence itself in itself. Sometimes I find myself sharing the message of the sufficiency of the inshining Light itself in itself to guide and nurture human relationships on the…

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The Mystery - I am the Light and you are the Light

Posted on 7th mo. 14, 2017 at 12:14pm 0 Comments



Image by: Keith F. Saylor - Free to use with credit.


The Mystery - I am the Light



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An important part of my experience or witness of the inshining motion of Presence is self-awareness being led out of dependency upon outward forms and into an embracement of and a growing into dependency upon immanent Presence itself in itself. This dependency is the experience of awareness…

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The Infallible Mark

Posted on 6th mo. 20, 2017 at 2:57pm 1 Comment

The Infallible Mark



Studies from "The Christian Quaker ..." by William Rogers (1680).



Note: The spelling and sentence structure from the quoatations of Rogers behold has not been modernized.



"For though the Apostle saith, Gal. 5. 2. I Paul say unto you, if ye be Circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing, and Gal. 4. 9, 10, 11. But now after ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the Weak and…

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The Line You Shall Not Cross

Posted on 5th mo. 23, 2017 at 8:30am 1 Comment

There is a line set down by other people relative to a person’s relationship with and participation in immanent Presence. This line or wall is heavily guarded and fortified by the protectorate of outward forms. The outward weapons of this protectorate are religious and political ideology, theology, tradition, similitudes, practices, etc. The nuclear weapon of the protectorate is the abstracted “God” who speaks to them and tells them how to direct and lead others so that to not follow the… Continue

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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