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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement..

The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement.In a recent post on Twitter Julian Assange wrote of the process of algorithmically preying on the people’s existing biases to increases engagement.An algorithm is defined broadly as a step by step procedure or function for solving a problem or accomplishing an some end within a finite number of steps.A consciousness and conscience that enters into,…See More
20 hours ago
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Thank you Mike. I am open to your to your understanding of Atshan. To make sure I understand you better, I have some further questions based on your last post. Is a reaction by definition “knee-jerk” when it is “immediate?”…"
20 hours ago
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Forest. I love this paragraph from your response. ”Principles' are intellectually-produced descriptions of various spiritual realities, from human perspectives. I wouldn't make a principle of avoiding them; but one should keep…"
7th day (Sat)
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Mike. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I appreciate your words concerning your sister-in-law and know fellowship with you relative to your experience of coming out of occasion for conflict and how so often it is not so much about the…"
7th day (Sat)
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"In the interest of promoting discussion and communication … Forrest, your response is curious to me. You have written that you “support achieving peace …” by doing various things and other things like it that you do not…"
2nd month 14
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"That is fair Mike.  I have no issue seeking open, honest, and safe, communication.  Atshan is quoted as saying: ”In peace and conflict studies, we teach our students to embrace conflict. We teach our students that conflict is…"
2nd month 13
Keith Saylor commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Hello Mike. So are you suggesting that awareness of differences and divisity through bringing conflict into the open is the path to peace? "
2nd month 13
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"Human beings, whether activist or inactivist, do have ambiguous feelings towards conflict. It is an unpleasant nuisance, but it's a feature necessary to their stories. It gives everyone something to do. But there's no shortage. In a pinch,…"
2nd month 12
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"Your response doesn’t acknowledge the full nuance. The reality is much more dynamic  than it seems you wish to admit. There is definitely a sense of nurturing conflict and even promoting it. I experience it when I’m on the street…"
2nd month 12
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"You don't seem to get what people mean by a phrase like "embracing conflict." It does sound silly, but it doesn't mean starting a conflict or harming people to get your way. It's more like recognizing a conflict when it…"
2nd month 12
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

In pursuit of peace through conflict ... there is another way.

A recent post on quakerquaker (http://www.quakerquaker.org/profiles/blogs/sa-ed-atshan-on-the-quaker-practice-of-embracing-conflict?xg_source=activity) shares a summary of an interview published in Friends Journal. In that interview these words are published.In peace and conflict studies, we teach our students to embrace conflict. We teach our students…See More
2nd month 12
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"A recent post on quakerquaker (http://www.quakerquaker.org/profiles/blogs/sa-ed-atshan-on-the-quaker-practice-of-embracing-conflict?xg_source=activity) shares a summary of an interview published in Friends Journal. In that interview these words are…"
2nd month 12
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God, traitors, blasphemous meddlers with Divinely-ordained oppression and violence."
2nd month 8
Keith Saylor posted a blog post

Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.

Through the inshining witness of immanent Presence (God) upon the conscience it is discovered that the very act of engaging in and identifying with the outward political contrivance of peace, in itself, creates and nurtures the occasion for war. In the Power, peace is an experience that is come and that is coming in the conscience and consciousness. Immanent Presence itself in itself, living in the conscience, and the activity of living in the power in all things and circumstances in daily life…See More
2nd month 7
Keith Saylor replied to Donne Hayden's discussion '"The Fairview Minute"'
"Thank you for sharing this as a start to the conversation. It is interesting and compelling that the suggestion that other meetings through the Yearly Meeting could tell Fairview Friends what to do opened a way to unity that transcended the specific…"
2nd month 5
Keith Saylor replied to Donne Hayden's discussion '"The Fairview Minute"'
"Sure. I am willing to engage in such a discussion. How would you like to proceed?"
2nd month 4

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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement..

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The rule, government and authority of immanent Presence fractures the rule, government, and authority of algorithmically established engagement.



In a recent post on Twitter Julian Assange wrote of the process of algorithmically preying on the people’s existing biases to increases engagement.



An algorithm is defined broadly as a step by step procedure or function for solving a problem or accomplishing an some end within a finite number…

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In pursuit of peace through conflict ... there is another way.

Posted on 2nd mo. 12, 2018 at 4:43pm 0 Comments

A recent post on quakerquaker (http://www.quakerquaker.org/profiles/blogs/sa-ed-atshan-on-the-quaker-practice-of-embracing-conflict?xg_source=activity) shares a summary of an interview published in Friends Journal. In that interview these words are published.



In peace and conflict studies, we teach our students to…

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Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.

Posted on 2nd mo. 7, 2018 at 1:09pm 5 Comments

Through the inshining witness of immanent Presence (God) upon the conscience it is discovered that the very act of engaging in and identifying with the outward political contrivance of peace, in itself, creates and nurtures the occasion for war. In the Power, peace is an experience that is come and that is coming in the conscience and consciousness. Immanent Presence itself in itself, living in the conscience, and the activity of living in the power in all things and circumstances in daily…

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HHS Announces New Conscience and Religious Freedom Division

Posted on 1st mo. 19, 2018 at 1:03pm 0 Comments

Today, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is pleased to announce the formation of a new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division in the HHS Office for Civil Rights (OCR). The announcement will take place at an event at HHS headquarters from 10:30 a.m. to noon. It will be livestreamed here. Speakers will include Acting Secretary Eric D. Hargan, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Representative Vicky Hartzler, Senator James Lankford, OCR Director Roger Severino, and…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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