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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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"Hello Daniel, Your comment is received in love and affection. It sometimes happens in human relations, and for the sake of conscience, that people affirm one another though, through the appearance of the Spirit of Christ, they are of a different…"
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"I read your response to my discussion point about "community".  I am sorry, but I find your writing difficult to understand. I am not sure what I can do going forward."
10th month 1
Keith Saylor replied to Daniel O'Keefe's discussion 'How is "community" carried out in a Quaker monthly meeting?'
"In Short: There is a way of being wherein people become aware of or experience immanent self-sustained being inshining upon their consciousness and conscience. This experience or awareness of immanent being in itself becomes that which may gather…"
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Doug Loomer commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.'
"Perhaps the term you are looking for is "gaslighting?" Some basic elements of gaslighting may include: attempting to convince someone of the truth of something intuitively bizarre or outrageous by forcefully insisting on it or by…"
9th month 11
Doug Loomer commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Help finding a specific word for a specific behavior.'
"Perhaps the term you are looking for is "gaslighting?" Some basic elements of gaslighting may include: attempting to convince someone of the truth of something intuitively bizarre or outrageous by forcefully insisting on it or by…"
9th month 11
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Facing hostile nationalism: Quakers in Nazi Germany and now'
"Kirby, Thank you for the links. Thank you for considering some of my questions. The experience of inshining of immanent being upon my conscience and consciousness has discovered to me a different way of relating to people which is not of the nature…"
9th month 2
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Facing hostile nationalism: Quakers in Nazi Germany and now'
"Kirby, thank you for this response. The partial narrative (composite of reflections) you have outlined here is revealing. I appreciate your effort.  Would I misrepresent you if I were to write, According to the geographic and historical…"
9th month 1
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Facing hostile nationalism: Quakers in Nazi Germany and now'
"Hello Mike, Thank you for your response. I have been considering it and will continue considering it. You reflect upon people as persecuting other people who are "not like us." Will you give specific examples of the people in this…"
8th month 31
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Facing hostile nationalism: Quakers in Nazi Germany and now'
"Hello Kirby, Would you be more specific on who the "Americans" that are "rounding up" and "imprisoning."  And who are those "Americans" that are being "rounded up" and "imprisoned."…"
8th month 31
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The Power of God preserves forms and brings to see where forms are not.

Pr. He saith, If they can but destroy all formes, the power will fall with it; for the form preserves the power, page 37.Answ. Contrary to the Apostle; many have the form, but deny the power. The power preserves the forme, sees the end of forms, and destroys them, and brings to see before forms were, where forms are not. For the Apostles who lived in the power, denied the Jewes forms, and Gentiles both, as we do now deny the Popish forms, and yours which you have invented and set up.In 1659,…See More
8th month 25
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The Impulse of Immanent Being

There is a way of being, consciousness, or self-awareness that is innate in human beings and which is intuitively experienced rather than learned though intellectual effort or reflective consciousness. Reflective consciousness lights up in relation to reflections through the functioning of the body. That is, through the senses and intellectual or mental ideological constructs. A person may directly experience the nature of being that is mirrored through the reflections of the body by taking a…See More
8th month 21
Keith Saylor replied to Mike Shell's discussion 'Facing hostile nationalism: Quakers in Nazi Germany and now'
"America is rounding up and imprisoning people labeled as so-called “illegal aliens,” taking children from families and detaining people in crowded, sometimes abusive conditions. Increasingly, the arrested include American-born citizens…"
8th month 12
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The Christonomy Project - a window into one aspect of the vision.

From the age of five or six years old I have been an observer of nature and a documenter of natural history Click here to view an example. The nesting habits of wild birds is of particular interest. The method I use to survey breeding birds in an area is to sit quietly in one spot for a set number hours (4 to 8 hours) observing the bird activity around me over a period of days. Over time, a flash point usually…See More
8th month 10
Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Online Version of William Rogers 1680 text "The Christian Quaker..."'
"Here is a link to the first paragraph of the Cambridge Journal that better represents the topography and notation. http://geofoxlit.blogspot.com/p/cambridge-journal-1.html"
7th month 26

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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

Trade: Upholsterer and semi-professional Natural Historian

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The Power of God preserves forms and brings to see where forms are not.

Posted on 8th mo. 25, 2019 at 11:31am 0 Comments

Pr. He saith, If they can but destroy all formes, the power will fall with it; for the form preserves the power, page 37.

Answ. Contrary to the Apostle; many have the form, but deny the power. The power preserves the forme, sees the end of forms, and destroys them, and brings to see before forms were, where forms are not. For the Apostles who lived in the power, denied the Jewes forms, and Gentiles both, as we do now deny the Popish…

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The Impulse of Immanent Being

Posted on 8th mo. 21, 2019 at 1:17pm 0 Comments

There is a way of being, consciousness, or self-awareness that is innate in human beings and which is intuitively experienced rather than learned though intellectual effort or reflective consciousness. Reflective consciousness lights up in relation to reflections through the functioning of the body. That is, through the senses and intellectual or mental ideological constructs. A person may directly experience the nature of being that is mirrored through the…

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The Christonomy Project - a window into one aspect of the vision.

Posted on 8th mo. 10, 2019 at 12:33am 0 Comments

From the age of five or six years old I have been an observer of nature and a documenter of natural history Click here to view an example. The nesting habits of wild birds is of particular interest. The method I use to survey breeding birds in an area is to sit quietly in one spot for a set number hours (4 to 8 hours) observing the bird activity around me over a period of days. Over time, a flash…

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A Different ministration of Life in relation to others.

Posted on 7th mo. 13, 2019 at 11:41am 0 Comments

I am encouraged and grateful my research into early Quakers is revealing many people within the early Quaker gathering who, through the appearance of the inherent Presence of the spirit of Christ in their consciousness and conscience, were (relatively speaking) drawn out of the process of relating to one another through the process of reflective thought to guide and rule their relationships, interactions, and worship. The nature of this different way of relating to and interacting with…

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At 9:28pm on 10th mo. 1, 2019, Daniel O'Keefe said…

I read your response to my discussion point about "community".  I am sorry, but I find your writing difficult to understand. I am not sure what I can do going forward.

At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

 
 
 

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