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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

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I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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"Yes, I have run into this posturing in other cities. Those who participate in the politick of contrivance on all sides have their ways. In my experience, when confronted with the message of the sufficiency of the inshining Light itself in itself to…"
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"Thanks for posting this.  I am more of a recluse, but I can sense the impulse to communicate this to others is genuine.  The technique you described has been used by certain groups (often self-identified as 'progressive') for a…"
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"Forrest. I appreciate your suggestions and counsel. Your words have manifested some conviction upon my conscience. I must admit though, there is part of me that wishes you had not written them. I'm not complaining but this following Jesus stuff…"
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"Perhaps you could go to places where people do politic for the construction and use of outward weapons of war?  Sometimes they even say that using these weapons either directly or as means of intimidation is their way of making or keeping peace…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Witness that Stunned ...'
"I have not encountered people politicking specifically for "peace" through outward weapons of war on the streets. However, I have shared the messages of the sufficiency of the inshining Light itself in itself to guide and rule human…"
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"Do you anticipate witnessing soon to people who are seeking peace through dropping bombs on foreigners?"
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The Witness that Stunned ...

The Witness that Stunned ...I empathize with people who are come out of or who are coming out of a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by outward forms and are come into a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by the direct and unmediated impulse of immanent Presence itself in itself. Sometimes I find myself sharing the message of the sufficiency of the inshining Light itself in itself to guide and nurture human relationships on the street.A few months ago, I…See More
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The Mystery - I am the Light and you are the Light

Image by: Keith F. Saylor - Free to use with credit.The Mystery - I am the LightIntroductionAn important part of my experience or witness of the inshining motion of Presence is self-awareness being led out of dependency upon outward forms and into an embracement of and a growing into dependency upon immanent Presence itself in itself. This dependency is the experience of awareness anchored in immanent Presence itself in itself so that which I am is immanent Presence. It is a coming into unity…See More
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"Progress of keyboarding "The Christian Quaker ..." by William Rogers 1680 Preface - Keyboarding Complete - Proofed one time. Conversion from RTF to Markdown Complete. Postscript to Preface - Keyboarding Complete - Proofed one time.…"
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Keith Saylor replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Your Assignment, Should You Choose To Accept It'
""Can we all follow it (divine pointer) to the extent of admitting that we we-all have been doing so far has started to fail, and looks al-too-likely to fail catastrophically." I'm not sure following the divine pointer by default…"
7th month 10
Keith Saylor replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Your Assignment, Should You Choose To Accept It'
"Forrest and Kirby … just working through this … free write … “The question is, how can we manage to preserve some kind of humane world as we make our way through these changes?” The author assumes the readers agree…"
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Keith Saylor commented on David McKay's blog post 'Early Quakers and the Kingdom of God'
"Thank for for sharing this David. I have ordered it in hardcopy."
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Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Infallible Mark'
"It has always been the tendency of the human mind to subjugate spiritual things to the judgements, acceptableness, and behaviors that our 'animal' ego nature is most comfortable with.  The Spirit is an eternal dimension that animates…"
6th month 20
Keith Saylor replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'Mysticism: The 'Engine' of liberal Quakerism (anonymous article from a Quaker library)' in the group Liberal Quakers
"I is amazing to me how pertinent and relevant your words are to my most recent blog post! It is exhilarating to glean in a modern writer the heritage of living inshining anointing that sustained many of the early Quakers who were led to lay down…"
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The Witness that Stunned ...

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The Witness that Stunned ...



I empathize with people who are come out of or who are coming out of a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by outward forms and are come into a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by the direct and unmediated impulse of immanent Presence itself in itself. Sometimes I find myself sharing the message of the sufficiency of the inshining Light itself in itself to guide and nurture human relationships on the…

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The Mystery - I am the Light and you are the Light

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Image by: Keith F. Saylor - Free to use with credit.


The Mystery - I am the Light



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An important part of my experience or witness of the inshining motion of Presence is self-awareness being led out of dependency upon outward forms and into an embracement of and a growing into dependency upon immanent Presence itself in itself. This dependency is the experience of awareness…

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The Infallible Mark

Posted on 6th mo. 20, 2017 at 2:57pm 1 Comment

The Infallible Mark



Studies from "The Christian Quaker ..." by William Rogers (1680).



Note: The spelling and sentence structure from the quoatations of Rogers behold has not been modernized.



"For though the Apostle saith, Gal. 5. 2. I Paul say unto you, if ye be Circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing, and Gal. 4. 9, 10, 11. But now after ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the Weak and…

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The Line You Shall Not Cross

Posted on 5th mo. 23, 2017 at 8:30am 1 Comment

There is a line set down by other people relative to a person’s relationship with and participation in immanent Presence. This line or wall is heavily guarded and fortified by the protectorate of outward forms. The outward weapons of this protectorate are religious and political ideology, theology, tradition, similitudes, practices, etc. The nuclear weapon of the protectorate is the abstracted “God” who speaks to them and tells them how to direct and lead others so that to not follow the… Continue

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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The Mystery - I am the Light and you are the Light

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