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Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

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I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

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I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"I have no reason to doubt that. Some Quakers are really into theology, and once that' s your hobby, you can't help but find your place in the many on-going debates.  Ditto philosophy (more my hobby). However the test of your Quakerism…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"What does God [feel free to interpret this in whatever way you so-far envision the Life and Soul in yourself and the surrounding universe, however conceived (so far)] -- what does God intend for that little spiritual/social whirl we call…"
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David McKay commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"Not with-it enough to speak to "we just don't care if you think in terms of a Trinity or whatever." I have head that George Fox conflated Christ and the Holy Spirit somewhat. Cannot think of anything to heavily Trinitarian in Barclay.…"
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Kirby Urner commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"Revelation comes in many flavors, including that of reasoning... Reasoning per se, like scriptures per se, can be quite misleading; but reasoning will often turn out to be "the way to bet." That is, if someone sees a contradiction between…"
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James C Schultz commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"Hello David:  It's hard for me to rate revelation vs. scripture as I view them as co-dependent.  I find revelation to flow out of scripture and scripture validated by revelation.  The trick is to not accept reasoning in and of…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
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David McKay commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
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"Hello David, This is an important and valid conversation. I agree it is a mistake presume that the first flowering of the movement is by definition the ‘True Faith.’ Personally, it is not the focus of my research to push forward such…"
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"Every religious movement that's ever endured has been suitable and liveable for the particular people drawn to take it up. This will be a different population later on than the earliest adherents. Modern LiberalFriendists, modern…"
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James C Schultz commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"Considering that It was the bible that was the source of George Fox's revelation of the "Inward Light", Jesus' letter to Ephesus is quite appropriate: Rev 2:4  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast…"
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David McKay commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"I think it is a mistake — especially for communities that place value on ongoing revelation — to presume that the first flowering of the movement is by definition the "True Faith". Liberal Christianity for example, tends to…"
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Howard Brod commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”'
"Wow.  Sounds like liberal Quakers of the 21st century.  Even though there are set times for worship for the sake of convenience, the rest sounds just like us.  And although there are set times for worship, most liberal Quaker meetings…"
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Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”

Research Notes, George Fox, Enthusiasm, Outward Rule, Sufficiency of Light, Scripture not Sufficient, aversion of outward ecclesiastical forms. In 1776, Daniel Neal published “The History of the Puritans or Protestant Non-Conformists.” In the fourth volume of his history on pages 32-36, he writes these two paragraphs about the Quakers:“It can’t be expected that such an unsettled People should have an uniform System of rational Principles. Their first and chief Design, if they had any, was to…See More
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James C Schultz commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Pope and the Primacy of the Conscience'
"An old Catholic position that was a strong basis for the creation of Catholic Schools was the belief that if they could have a child through 10 they would have him or her to the grave.  That's the formative period of a person's…"
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I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

Trade: Upholsterer and semi-professional Natural Historian

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Founding Quakerism: “Their chief design... to reduce Religion to Allegory?”

Posted on 11th mo. 18, 2017 at 11:00pm 14 Comments

Research Notes, George Fox, Enthusiasm, Outward Rule, Sufficiency of Light, Scripture not Sufficient, aversion of outward ecclesiastical forms.



In 1776, Daniel Neal published “The History of the Puritans or Protestant Non-Conformists.” In the fourth volume of his history on pages 32-36, he writes these two paragraphs about the Quakers:

“It can’t be expected that such an unsettled People should have an uniform System of rational Principles. Their first and…

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The Pope and the Primacy of the Conscience

Posted on 11th mo. 12, 2017 at 1:30pm 3 Comments

Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-reaffirms-conscience-heresy-debate-divides-church-160315741.html



VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday reaffirmed the “primacy” of using one’s…

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Nathaniel Smith and his testimony of the uniqueness of Quakers

Posted on 10th mo. 29, 2017 at 1:00pm 14 Comments

Research Note, Inshining Light sufficiency, Outward Forms, excommunication, I AM



In The Quakers Spiritual Court Proclaimed published in 1669, Nathaniel Smith writes:



... all Sects, Formes, or other Dispensations, it thou please to call them so (or by what Name soever) after they have raised to themselves a considerable number of People, then they go about to set up themselves, and make to themselves Laws, whereby they may Govern, and bear Rule…

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Nathaniel Smith, a Quaker natural historian and physician, in 1664, meets with George Fox. Wherein George Fox argues the earth is flat because it was revealed to him by God.

Posted on 10th mo. 18, 2017 at 9:30pm 14 Comments

In 1669 Nathanial Smith wrote a tract entitled “The Quakers Spiritual Court” wherein he documents the Quaker use of outward ecclesiastical forms and leaders to rule over the conscience of others in the gathering. Smith became a Quaker at 19 years of age and remained so for about fourteen years. It seems he was among those of the first Quakers. Smith calls himself a “Physick.” Samuel Johnson’s Dictionary (1792) defines Physick as “originally signifying natural philosophy, has been transferred…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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