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In Charlotte ...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 9th month 23, 2016. 18 Replies

There is a need for Quakers in Charlotte with the message of the complete sufficiency of the inward Light to guide and rule human life and relationships. This message can offset the destructive…Continue

2016 Presidential Campaign - An article at Politico.

Started 9th month 20, 2016 0 Replies

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this assessment of the 2016 presidential campaign published at Politico.On The Ideas of Donald Trump.…Continue

From: The Ear of the Soul ...

Started 7th month 22, 2016 0 Replies

I noticed this post after following a link posted in the Daily Pick section of this website. It has captivated my attention and thought some of you who haven't read it, might find it as edifying as I…Continue

M w wting in San Francisco Area?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Keith Saylor 4th month 6, 2015. 4 Replies

I'm in San Francisco for a few days. Any suggestions for a Meeting in the area. Unprogrammed or programed.

 

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Keith Saylor commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Ephesians 4 or The Five Fold Ministry'
"I have said many times, I bring the fullness of Christ within me to those around every day in the act of living the Life itself in itself it in all things an circumstances even in this discussion with you.  Okay, I’m typing this while…"
7th day (Sat)
Keith Saylor commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Ephesians 4 or The Five Fold Ministry'
"Are you suggesting I am in disagreement with these words?"
7th day (Sat)
Keith Saylor commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Ephesians 4 or The Five Fold Ministry'
"James,I appreciate this discussion.To the extent that their are people who find it helpful and needful to establish and participate in the process of the institutionalization of the Spirit, there will be the need for outward teachers, apostles,…"
7th day (Sat)
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"Amen, Howard."
9th month 12
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"Howard, We  own the inshining Light and have received it in our hearts. In that inshining Light, I am and you are and we are the Light. In that Light is our unity and our fellowship. In that Light, I am come out of all forms and images. I,…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"Howard, I own your words (and the words that James posted earlier) and have received them in my heart; that people gathered in and through the inshining Light are edified and strengthened by coming together and that you and James personally are…"
9th month 10
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
""Conceptional maps serve as structures by which our experiences, insights and understandings can seen ..." There is another and different way by which of experience, insight, and understanding are "seen." Entering into the…"
9th month 8
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"“What does our belief that the Anointing is now present say about our inability as a society, either spiritual or sectarian, to overcome the darkness around us?” Many of us do not believe in the anointing of the inshining Light upon our…"
9th month 8
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"The wonderful thing is, through the appearance of the inshining Light in our conscience and conscious we live the anointing now, the anointing is come and is coming. I am with John in affirming the anointing that is come. Not because it is recorded…"
9th month 7
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"Hello James, Thank you for your patience in the face of all my questions. I appreciate the clarity and honesty of your responses to them. You highlight for me that I do not participate in the Light in the way you do. The inshining Light has…"
9th month 6
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
""I find it strange that one person I knew -- a Meeting Clerk with a particularly strong confidence that Quaker Process did work -- insisted to the end of her life that she just couldn't find anything she would call "God". I do…"
9th month 5
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"Hello James, Thank you for sharing your personal experience. It helped me better grasp your witness. I would like to engage you further. In light of your words, would I be accurate, and represent you correctly, that your reference to “……"
9th month 5
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'An Unprogrammed Friend Experiences Programmed Worship'
"James, Are you willing to delineate or lay out the "Quaker Process?" Furthermore what is the "Source" of that process? For the sake of openness, fairness, and clarity, here is what has prompted these questions. It is discovered…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'Mercy in Troubled Times'
"I have, in fact, spoken up against prevailing injustice and will continue to speak out against the inherent injustice of  identification with outward political, religious, and social constructs to rule and guide human relationships and inform…"
8th month 23
Keith Saylor commented on Kevin Camp's blog post 'Mercy in Troubled Times'
"Now I have graduated from “contemptible” to a “defender of evil” in the name of the inward Light, all in the matter of two posts. Your words further affirm that the very nature of the process of identification with outward…"
8th month 23

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A Testimony to Living Witness ...
I am gathered in and by the inshining Light itself in itself upon my conscience and live this gathering in all things and circumstances. This gathered life owns the Light as the foundation of consciousness and is the sole informer and guide in and of the conscience. In this gathered Life, I experience self-consciousness in participation with the Light itself so that I am come into, experimentally, the active living and identification with the Light itself; in this way, I am the Light and know and own who I am which is shared by and is the inheritance of all persons.

In being gathered by the Light, it is discovered that this experimentally gathered Life is sufficient in itself to rule and govern the conscience and support consciousness; so that I am come out of identification with outward religious, political, and social, forms and contrivances as a source of meaning or purpose. I am not of these things. I am gathered into the invisible Children of Light ... independent and unaffiliated with any outward political, religious, or social form or institution; including the the outward forms and institution of Quakerism. I am gathered into the independent and unaffiliated Children of Light.

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The mysterious inevitability that creates systematic hostility in human relations.

Posted on 8th mo. 20, 2017 at 10:00am 0 Comments

I’m going to start with some theological basics. Because what we’re seeing happen is a manifestation of Satan’s power. When I say that word, I’m talking about the mysterious something or somebody in the universe that creates enmity between people. So when I attribute agency to Satan, I’m not saying there’s a little red man with a pitchfork running around, but simply that some mysterious inevitability creates systemic hostility in human relations. For…

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The Witness that Stunned ...

Posted on 7th mo. 18, 2017 at 1:00pm 8 Comments

The Witness that Stunned ...



I empathize with people who are come out of or who are coming out of a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by outward forms and are come into a conscience and consciousness anchored in and informed by the direct and unmediated impulse of immanent Presence itself in itself. Sometimes I find myself sharing the message of the sufficiency of the inshining Light itself in itself to guide and nurture human relationships on the…

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The Mystery - I am the Light and you are the Light

Posted on 7th mo. 14, 2017 at 12:14pm 0 Comments



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The Mystery - I am the Light



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An important part of my experience or witness of the inshining motion of Presence is self-awareness being led out of dependency upon outward forms and into an embracement of and a growing into dependency upon immanent Presence itself in itself. This dependency is the experience of awareness…

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The Infallible Mark

Posted on 6th mo. 20, 2017 at 2:57pm 1 Comment

The Infallible Mark



Studies from "The Christian Quaker ..." by William Rogers (1680).



Note: The spelling and sentence structure from the quoatations of Rogers behold has not been modernized.



"For though the Apostle saith, Gal. 5. 2. I Paul say unto you, if ye be Circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing, and Gal. 4. 9, 10, 11. But now after ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the Weak and…

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At 9:11am on 12th mo. 8, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

As some of the older people in my Meeting would have said, "Perhaps the message was not addressed to [me]."

At 12:03am on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

For a beginning, he's misread what Jesus was talking about and misinterpreted the purpose of the young man's question. Later on, he gets caught in a misleading dichotomy between someone's idea of liberal individualism vs someone's idea of community authority; the truth is seldom anywhere near a dichotomy, neither on an end nor in the middle, but simply somewhere else. He seems to end up hoping that "capitalism" (wherever _that_ might be found!) may be a loose enough system to leave more room for following Christ -- another great confusion of irrelevancies and what transcends all that... stuff. It isn't that some people think too much; but quantity is never a substitute for quality. Theology should never be abandoned to theologians, 'armchair' or any other sort -- but no doubt God forgives us our efforts.

At 8:48pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Forrest Curo said…

Thanks for the question. It looks to me to be another example of someone intelligently missing the point -- but right now I don't have time to finish it; my wife likes me to rest her eyes by reading to her before we meditate. More later, I hope, after I'm done reading & digesting...

At 12:03pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2016, Kirby Urner said…

Thanks for your comments Keith.  It's not either / or right? 

Some brands of Quaker want to invent institutions as an expression of their faith, whereas others wish God's native intelligence to shine through, leaving it more to the Spirit to do the Self organizing. 

The latter approach appears more anarchic from the outside, but the actual participants may appreciate a certain Good Order of Friends nevertheless. 

There should be room enough for these various brands of practice.  Quakers are already all over the map in terms of how they present themselves.

At 10:40pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

I urge you to describe this news item briefly, and provide the URL for other QQ members to read the article.

At 10:30pm on 12th mo. 11, 2015, William F Rushby said…

Keith:  Thanks for calling this to my attention.  I don't believe it's right to have an "edifice complex" but, on the other hand, demolishing that piece of Quaker history and area history strikes me as being unnecessary and very sad. Sue Hewes, from the Poplar Ridge Meeting, was in our college Young Friends Fellowship.

At 12:32pm on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Thanks for the report.  I can certainly see how being involved in the discussions on QuakerQuaker would be a distraction.  I look forward to having the fruit of your labor in the Light available.

At 11:10am on 11th mo. 18, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I miss hearing from you.  I suspect my computer has lost contact with yours, again.  The last thing I have on your page is, "Thanks Forrest and Diane. I really needed that. :-)"  Hope the connection comes back, again,  soon.  It just came back apparently spontaneously last time.

At 6:36pm on 8th mo. 5, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, no I’m not a member, though, I’m continually experimenting with Light and have the good fortune to gather regularly with people who are also doing so.  Not all have come to the practice through Quakerism; some wound up checking us out through reading about Friends and stayed because they found what they were looking for.  Because of our lack of interest in the outward forms, we are an enigma to the yearly meeting.  The people now constituting the local meeting have brought it to a new place.

 

In reading Rogers two letters to Fox I seem to be getting a glimmer of what you’re referring to.  I feel his groaning as he wrestles with how things came to this point. Particularly that Fox had moved on from the message of the Light in their conscience available to move and guide them to needing outward forms to structure them.  And desiring with all his heart for Fox to say his intentions were being misrepresented by his followers.  Also, the pain of having Fox not answer him directly, but continuing to accuse Rogers of having left his first love and then Fox not responding at all.

At 3:47pm on 8th mo. 2, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Keith, I agree with your assessment of the nature of Wilkinson’s spirit and Fox’s in their letters.  Even Wilkinson’s conciliatory tone isn’t keeping me from wearying of the abundance of words being sent back and forth.  I’m not feeling Presence speaking through them. 

 

Gathering together for communion with Presence and going forth in Presence to care for the widows and orphans, feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty and visit those in prison is what energizes me.

 

I would be interested in hearing what you think of Rex Ambler's “Experiment with Light.”  Are you familiar with it?  The web address is http://www.experiment-with-light.org.uk/.

 
 
 

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