Karl Vonderheyde
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...plain?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Morgen Silver 7th month 27. 11 Replies

I'll probably start a storm with this, but, here goes...Plain dress. ...is it?Is it plain? I've seen the price of a pair of broadfalls... seriously?? What I' getting at is, the Friends "dress code"…Continue

Change

Started this discussion. Last reply by Michael Jay 2nd month 26. 1 Reply

Odd question...     If a Worship Group is dissatisfied with it's "Parent Meeting," is there a process by which they can separate, and come under another Meeting?Continue

 

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Tx29_Zelma_St_Mission liked Karl Vonderheyde's discussion ...plain?
8th month 4
Morgen Silver replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"Well explained. Thank you and I whole heartedly agree. I dress plain because I wanted as little to do with the pollution that goes along with the fashion world and the big stores who cheat people from earning fair wages. Also, to have nothing to do…"
7th month 27
Mike Widney liked Karl Vonderheyde's discussion ...plain?
7th month 10
Karl Vonderheyde replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"I think the question I'm asking for is more along the lines of, how can we call it "plain dress" if it's really anything but "plain" in 2018?  Wouldn't ordinary work clothes be more in keeping with the idea of…"
7th month 9
Forrest Curo replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"There was always more to 'the Government of God' than improvements in our personal behavior. Somewhere in there was that old pre-Monarchy Israelite tradition of "You people don't need kings; you've got Me!" So this…"
4th month 9
Mackenzie replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"Fair call on the variety of good news found in the New Testament. I was thinking of the "in the state Adam was in before he fell" perfection doctrine early Friends seemed to be enamored of. (Or as Penn put it, "true spiritual liberty…"
4th month 8
Forrest Curo replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"As far as 'good news', I don't know how many people today would find "Christ has victory over sin" to be the first thing to pop into their minds. Neither would it have been the good news Jesus announced: "God's…"
3rd month 11
Kirby Urner replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"Good point that "blending in" was not the point, as Quakers were habituated to make a nuisance of themselves and made waves in many dimensions.  I stand corrected."
3rd month 9
Mackenzie replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"I'm not sure "thought it was silly to have a dress code" is even  as specific as what she said. She called dressing alike "a silly, poor gospel." Gospel is good news. Compared to "Christ has victory over sin and…"
3rd month 9
Mackenzie replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"First, regarding the price of broadfalls: the point isn't merely to be cheap. If those are made by someone being paid appropriately instead of in a sweatshop, is that not more to the better? Second, the plain men Friends I know just wear any…"
3rd month 9
Kirby Urner replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"Totally, and same for plain speech.  To say "thee" and "thou" is hardly plain today.  I've sometimes gone to far in the casual / informal direction with the costumes, whereas when the goal is to blend in (aka…"
3rd month 8
Mark Wutka replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"I agree that it is a form of standing out, but they part about letting your life be the testimony instead of your dress isn't quite true for me. I find that dressing plain (my plain is denim pants, denim shirt, suspenders) and my beard with no…"
3rd month 8
Forrest Curo replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion '...plain?'
"Person's gotta do what a person's gotta do. Margaret Fell thought it was silly to have a dress code; I don't think anyone today would want to impose it on anybody else. But for anyone who feels led to witness to his…"
3rd month 7
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...plain?

I'll probably start a storm with this, but, here goes...Plain dress. ...is it?Is it plain? I've seen the price of a pair of broadfalls... seriously?? What I' getting at is, the Friends "dress code" was all about simplicity... avoiding buckles, shiny buttons, flashy hats ad clothes, etc, all to make a testimonial statement about simplicity and function... to deliberately NOT stand out, in order that ones' life, not ones style of dress be the testimony the world would see.   So, doesn't…See More
3rd month 7
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"The person talking about Quakers not owning slaves or participating in the slave trade needs to google Benjamin Lay."
3rd month 7
Michael Jay replied to Karl Vonderheyde's discussion 'Change'
"Short answer; ask the 'parent' MM and the MM you are transferred to both minute the transfer -- that way everything is recorded.Copies of these minutes should also be sent to the Yearly Meeting."
2nd month 26

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