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Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"'Peace' means that people aren't doing awful things to self and others. There is no 'underlying principle' guaranteed to produce that condition -- although Jesus' rule should preclude doing any such awful things…"
2nd month 14
Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"I favor achieving peace ('Shalom') by not swindling people of other nations out of their goods and labor, not marching troops in to install governments willing to let us swindle them, not dropping or shooting explosive devices on their…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"Human beings, whether activist or inactivist, do have ambiguous feelings towards conflict. It is an unpleasant nuisance, but it's a feature necessary to their stories. It gives everyone something to do. But there's no shortage. In a pinch,…"
2nd month 12
Forrest Curo commented on Mike Shell's blog post 'Sa’ed Atshan: On the Quaker practice of embracing conflict'
"Back when I was writing about whether there should be more conflict between Friends, I was thinking in terms of them being more open about disagreements, more willing to contradict each other -- in hopes of reaching agreement by airing &…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"You don't seem to get what people mean by a phrase like "embracing conflict." It does sound silly, but it doesn't mean starting a conflict or harming people to get your way. It's more like recognizing a conflict when it…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Peace is the prerogative of Immanent Presence working in the conscience.'
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God, traitors, blasphemous meddlers with Divinely-ordained oppression and violence."
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Forrest Curo replied to Donne Hayden's discussion '"The Fairview Minute"'
"A more widespread awareness (aside from whatever value particular people find -- or don't find -- in the Christian scriptures) that "The scriptures were made for the sake of people; people weren't made for the sake of obeying whatever…"
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Business Meeting Is a Yoga

Hatha Yoga isn't about achieving perfect form or getting healthy, but (as Erich Schiffmann explains) about learning to align with God's guidance towards such results.Quaker Business Meeting isn't about perfectly formal Quaker Process, reaching consensus, or making ideal decisions. It's a way that participants learn to align with God's guidance. [This may be why some atheists I've known were mysteriously attached to the practice, for reasons they never could make clear to me? Much as secular…See More
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'The Life itself in itself guides relationships and interactions'
"Those things most worth saying are not sayable; but a well-done hint may prompt a hearer to find them himself. Putting such hints as clearly as possible should make that easier. (Me)"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Micah 6:8'
"'Battle' in that example definitely meant 'to thump or poke hostile persons with sharp or heavy objects, including flying rocks [slings being a traditional military weapon in the Middle East, where there happened to be far more rocks…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Micah 6:8'
""Divinity of Jesus" is open to a wide range of interpretations, including the one I consider implied by some passages in 'John': the divinity of all human beings. So I'm not talking about God [up There] manipulating events…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Micah 6:8'
"It must take someone very pious to imagine that God has the soul, and the twisted sense of "justice", of a usurer. Jesus was not sent to face the "justice" of human beings because God needed a human sacrifice to balance His books…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Idealism vs. Love'
"Less a matter of 'before thinking things through' than of 'relying on incorrect or irrelevant information' -- the old 'Garbage in; garbage out' problem. Thus you sometime find people who very thoroughly and obsessedly…"
12th month 21, 2017
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Those Early Quakers who Scrupled against The Government of Quakers Excercised by George Fox'
"The bulk of the Friends there at the time did follow Fox's leading, and it is those people here who believe they'd abandoned his previous witness who thereby conclude that  they know better than Fox and his followers -- and insist I…"
12th month 13, 2017
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Those Early Quakers who Scrupled against The Government of Quakers Excercised by George Fox'
"To put it more clearly: There is one What-It-Is present to every person; it isn't 'merely personal' (whether or not we perceive it as a personality) but the same to each and all. The content and style of what any one person receives…"
12th month 12, 2017
Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post 'Those Early Quakers who Scrupled against The Government of Quakers Excercised by George Fox'
"No doubt these folks would have complained if George had hung them with a new rope. But they were not forbidden the from participating in communion of a Quakerish sort, couldn't be -- because that was intrinsically available in any group…"
12th month 12, 2017

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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

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The Metaphor is the Meaning

Posted on 5th mo. 20, 2017 at 12:33am 0 Comments

You don't do the Bible, or any human being greater honor, or understand them better, by taking them literally.

To take something "metaphorically" doesn't mean that we treat it as just a fluffy literary decoration.

In mathematics there's a term for what a metaphor does: it's called "a mapping." A useful metaphor says that one thing has a similar structure to another thing; they behave alike in analogous circumstances. One of them can be taken as a useful hint toward…

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Truth is a spiritual reality

Posted on 5th mo. 1, 2017 at 3:10pm 4 Comments

The word 'spiritual' gives a lot of people problems, and I'm not going to define it. I'm not even going to claim I understand all that it entails.

But one description that works: "If you can't define something; if you can't reduce it to a combination of some other categories or interactions between them" -- words like say, Truth, Beauty, Love and the like come to mind --

then it very likely is spiritual.

Friends have a lot of trouble with the word 'Truth' anymore. It…

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The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma

Posted on 4th mo. 4, 2017 at 10:06am 1 Comment

If a Meeting takes a stand on any significant issue whatsoever it excludes (and temporarily alienates) people who see the matter otherwise.

If a Meeting can not take a stand on matters causing great suffering (and there is always disagreement about these, or someone would have simply corrected them) we seem to fall short of a basic Christian duty.

A possible resolution to this might look like what we did (as I heard it) with the Quaker House in Ulster. Of two warring groups,…

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Truth and vs Love Among Us

Posted on 3rd mo. 26, 2017 at 9:00am 0 Comments

[Thanks to C. Wess Daniels for the nudge!]

People have come to think of a concern for ideas as pathological.

When ideas come to matter more to us than our love for each other, it is pathological.

But people die when the ideas they love and the truths they live under fail to match; bad ideas can kill people as surely as intentional violence.

We have got to resolve our differences; we have truly got to resolve our differences — not smooth them over, not crush them…

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Seeking God's Guidance

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2017 at 6:41pm 35 Comments

I first encountered the fact of this in the 1960's, when I was flailing through a life already hijacked by God, reframed by mind-striping drugs, immobilized by conflicting ideas and ideals.

In search of a group I might really belong with, I stayed overnight with people who kept the air thick with pot smoke amid the bewildering sounds of a record I'd never heard of: 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter,' by the Incredible String Band. Among many intricate, confusing lyrics, one mad…

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At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

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