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Forrest Curo replied to Scott Martin's discussion 'Why Would They Want to Come?' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Howard, clearly there was a strong mystical center to Jesus' Messages. Equally clearly, they didn't hang him up for teaching people Centering Prayer -- but for his ongoing aid and comfort to those people suffering too urgently from the…"
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Forrest Curo replied to Scott Martin's discussion 'Why Would They Want to Come?' in the group Liberal Quakers
"I've heard the "Those people don't like this kind of worship!" argument raised many many times -- and I suspect what it covers is a much deeper gulf: People whose lives have space for waiting in silence vs people whose present…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part III - Responsibility'
""Following" Elijah would mean following his example, which Elisha is simply doing. Elijah follows God's instructions to him as a prophet; so does Elisha, beginning with this sacrifice (entirely in the tradition of previous leaders of…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
""If they will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet [You've stepped in a few things getting there & arriving!] when you leave." But that goes on to, "Truly, it will be easier on Sodom…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
"It really does come down to "Do you want to be shacked up? -- or do you want to make it official." As far as being married to Anne, I'd felt entirely married without the big party where Her Brother The Actor played (Universal Life…"
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Forrest Curo commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'The Three R's of Unity: Part II - Respect'
"In most organizations with a purpose, whether explicit or implied, there are functional reasons to want to know: "Is you a you? -- Or is you an us?" People would ask a similar question and take a similar attitude were you to stroll onto a…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"Oh well. I very much liked Rami Shapiro's interpretation of Jesus' mystical teachings, based on statements attributed to Jesus by the Gospel of John -- but I've always been deeply allergic to the style and language of 'John'…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"Um, the context was presumably 17th Century Protestant notions of salvation vs damnation. As to that context, I'd say that the love of God as Jesus described it should do the job just fine -- that one way or another God would certainly supply…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Keith Saylor's blog post '"We deny all who say this light is not sufficient ..." James Naylor'
"I thought James Naylor was a man. Is it okay to let the guy teach us a little? But if we accept this bit, shouldn't we reject it, then? Oh! We don't need logic, either! Still, I used to be rather fond of logic (though it is far from being…"
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Forrest Curo replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"Daniel Wilcox, you talk as though God made a big faulty machine with something called "evil" one of its moving parts. Think more in terms of a vast Sentience growing souls and flowering a world from them in which, as Raymond…"
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James C Schultz commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Having spent a few thousand hours worshipping in loud praise and close to a thousand hours worshipping in silence, it is my experience that both serve to bring you into the NOW moment where you can clearly hear the voice of…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Evidently the site had a temporary glitch(?) Whether bhakti practices work (if done sincerely) really depends on what you mean by "working." They don't usually work for anyone too shy to put out for God, because such a person…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"William F Rushby has sent you a message on QuakerQuaker Subject: Reply, since Thread was apparently closed down ------------ Forrest wrote: "The trouble with all that bhakti spiritual technology -- although God is willing enough to get…"
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William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"My comments on the "Charismatic renewal" are specific to Ohio Yearly Meeting.  Even for that group, what I wrote oversimplifies the situation.  The Charismatic movement was a mixed blessing, but its impact was powerful.…"
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James C Schultz commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"As a refugee from the Charismatic renewal in the Catholic Church the "Pentacostal" experience is a boon to Christianity.  It was to the Apostles and it is to everyone since who has lived Acts: 1:8.  From speaking in tongues to…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"The trouble with all that bhakti spiritual technology -- although God is willing enough to get intimate -- is that it risks shouting over God's efforts to get a word in edgewise. [The function of that funny little ear-bone linkage: to amplify…"
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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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"You don't do it through intellectual processes. What you do is you telepathically tap in to the one great world religion,
which is only one,
which has no name,
and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

Stephen Gaskin

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Seeking God's Guidance

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2017 at 6:41pm 35 Comments

I first encountered the fact of this in the 1960's, when I was flailing through a life already hijacked by God, reframed by mind-striping drugs, immobilized by conflicting ideas and ideals.

In search of a group I might really belong with, I stayed overnight with people who kept the air thick with pot smoke amid the bewildering sounds of a record I'd never heard of: 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter,' by the Incredible String Band. Among many intricate, confusing lyrics, one mad…

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God As Is

Posted on 3rd mo. 24, 2016 at 1:09pm 0 Comments

Although I believe poetry (and worse) sometimes belongs here, the format-editing capabilities of the site don't lend themselves to proper single-space line divisions,

so here's the link.

http://sneezingflower.blogspot.com/2016/03/god-as-is.html

The Divine Gift of Counterwill

Posted on 2nd mo. 17, 2016 at 1:38am 0 Comments

What Early Friends shared with their Puritan antagonists was a theology in which natural human will was an evil to be overcome. Our own will was innately in rebellion against God -- was capricious, heedless, insatiable -- downright wilful -- and the bulk of George Fox's contemporaries agreed that it could only lead to trouble.

In Puritan systems, not even Jesus could make that will good, but merely achieve posthumous forgiveness for the inevitable lapses.

Quakers objected that…

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Matthew 7.28->

Posted on 11th mo. 7, 2015 at 1:37pm 0 Comments

And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.



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"You will say, 'Christ saith this, and the apostles say this;'…

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Back to that Quaker Scripture Study Blog...

Posted on 5th mo. 11, 2015 at 12:27am 3 Comments

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http://kwakerskripturestudy.blogspot.com/2015/05/resuming-bible-study.html

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For a very long time now I have not been able to see any very good reason to study the Bible. Yes, it's a collection of writings one needs to come to terms with, to account for, to find some meaning in -- but once you have, why read further?



After wrestling with…

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At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

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