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Forrest Curo replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas' in the group Liberal Quakers
"Infants most certainly do 'grasp'. Whether they "grasp together" anything I couldn't say, but prehensile fingers are definitely among the characteristic features. They will also try to grasp things with the mouth, like other…"
14 hours ago
Forrest Curo commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'Paddle your own canoe'
"I don't get the meaning of "a God." If we talk about "God as-is", then we might differ as to which description applies; but at that point we'd be clear about "not just making this up." Historicity, well, I…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'Paddle your own canoe'
"Fishing around the Sea of Galilee was not a mom-&-pop family business; what I've read describes rather a precarious, strenuous 'independent contractor" sort of occupation. The boats would be rented out for the day to a crew…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'
"Ideas are important in shaping how we understand what we're knowing; but they aren't What-or-Who we're learning to know. Different people (or same people at different times) will find a particular phrase helpful (or unhelpful) -- but…"
4th month 18
Forrest Curo commented on Patricia Dallmann's blog post 'The Cross in Quaker Faith'
"One person's form of words will click for that person; another's for another. Meanwhile 'What' those words are about is still at work, recognized or not, (70X7) + 1 times (and even more),  in this world or any other."
4th month 15
Forrest Curo commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'No man is an island'
"Yeah, you aren't supposed to dive in after everybody you see drowning, not unless you're a great swimmer with the right sort of training. [Business and governmental liars would likely bring out the worst in me. But I'd have to concede…"
4th month 11
Forrest Curo commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'No man is an island'
"Jesus was willing to associate with, and to stand up for, people whom the highest-ranking (by Earthly reckoning) religious authorities of his nation (like the Roman authorities whose interests they served) considered to be worthless creatures,…"
4th month 11
Forrest Curo commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'No man is an island'
"~"If your way of seeing makes you do wrong, you need to stop looking at things that way. It is better to renounce one convenient bad habit than let yourself be utterly corrupted." Rather than literally throw away an eye or two, you've…"
4th month 10
Kirby Urner commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma'
4th month 6
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The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma

If a Meeting takes a stand on any significant issue whatsoever it excludes (and temporarily alienates) people who see the matter otherwise.If a Meeting can not take a stand on matters causing great suffering (and there is always disagreement about these, or someone would have simply corrected them) we seem to fall short of a basic Christian duty.A possible resolution to this might look like what we did (as I heard it) with the Quaker House in Ulster. Of two warring groups, both considered the…See More
4th month 4
James C Schultz replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"I agree.  I have to love my enemy.  I remind everyone that finds that hard to do it doesn't mean you have to trust your enemy or even like your enemy.  What makes it harder is you don't often know who your enemies are:…"
4th month 2
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"Okay. I don't trust an enemy to think, feel, or behave as anything but an enemy. Sometimes he will, but there's no reason I should expect him to operate under my rules. On another hand, he is another human being like myself. So far as he…"
4th month 1
James C Schultz replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"My disagreement with you isn't in trusting in God in us.  It's in trusting in God in others.  Maybe I misunderstood your point.  I believe in loving my enemy.  I don't believe in trusting my enemy."
4th month 1
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"You really must start looking at context in these things. Jesus tells certain disciples they need to stay squeaky clean and use what wisdom they've got in the environment he's sending them into. He doesn't tell them to rely on their…"
4th month 1
James C Schultz replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"Sorry Forest, we can't rely on God's active presence within each and all if by active presence you mean controlling presence.  Jesus calls us to be as innocent as doves and as wise as a serpent.  He is also quoted as saying Thou…"
4th month 1
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion '"Politics"'
"To rely on God's active presence within each and all, that is truly what we need to do to transcend the prejudices, misplaced loyalties, unconscious self-interest and self-deceptions we bring with us in our efforts. The belief that we have in…"
3rd month 31

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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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"You don't do it through intellectual processes. What you do is you telepathically tap in to the one great world religion,
which is only one,
which has no name,
and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

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The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma

Posted on 4th mo. 4, 2017 at 10:06am 1 Comment

If a Meeting takes a stand on any significant issue whatsoever it excludes (and temporarily alienates) people who see the matter otherwise.

If a Meeting can not take a stand on matters causing great suffering (and there is always disagreement about these, or someone would have simply corrected them) we seem to fall short of a basic Christian duty.

A possible resolution to this might look like what we did (as I heard it) with the Quaker House in Ulster. Of two warring groups,…

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Truth and vs Love Among Us

Posted on 3rd mo. 26, 2017 at 9:00am 0 Comments

[Thanks to C. Wess Daniels for the nudge!]

People have come to think of a concern for ideas as pathological.

When ideas come to matter more to us than our love for each other, it is pathological.

But people die when the ideas they love and the truths they live under fail to match; bad ideas can kill people as surely as intentional violence.

We have got to resolve our differences; we have truly got to resolve our differences — not smooth them over, not crush them…

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Seeking God's Guidance

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2017 at 6:41pm 35 Comments

I first encountered the fact of this in the 1960's, when I was flailing through a life already hijacked by God, reframed by mind-striping drugs, immobilized by conflicting ideas and ideals.

In search of a group I might really belong with, I stayed overnight with people who kept the air thick with pot smoke amid the bewildering sounds of a record I'd never heard of: 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter,' by the Incredible String Band. Among many intricate, confusing lyrics, one mad…

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God As Is

Posted on 3rd mo. 24, 2016 at 1:09pm 0 Comments

Although I believe poetry (and worse) sometimes belongs here, the format-editing capabilities of the site don't lend themselves to proper single-space line divisions,

so here's the link.

http://sneezingflower.blogspot.com/2016/03/god-as-is.html

The Divine Gift of Counterwill

Posted on 2nd mo. 17, 2016 at 1:38am 0 Comments

What Early Friends shared with their Puritan antagonists was a theology in which natural human will was an evil to be overcome. Our own will was innately in rebellion against God -- was capricious, heedless, insatiable -- downright wilful -- and the bulk of George Fox's contemporaries agreed that it could only lead to trouble.

In Puritan systems, not even Jesus could make that will good, but merely achieve posthumous forgiveness for the inevitable lapses.

Quakers objected that…

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At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

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