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The Resurrection of Jesus

Started this discussion. Last reply by David Nelson Seaman 2nd month 12. 25 Replies

the objective Subject whom all true theology is about...

Started this discussion. Last reply by David Nelson Seaman 3rd month 17. 1 Reply

What Approach to Poverty Does Christianity Imply?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 11th month 16, 2012. 27 Replies

 

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Forrest Curo commented on Doug Bennett's blog post 'Biblical Inerrancy Watch: the Evangelical Free Church of America'
"There's a table in the center of our Meeting room. On the table, at one time or another, there have been flowers and/or candles. For some time now, there's been a Bible. Also a Faith&Practice, sometimes other documents. I occasionally…"
5th month 24
Forrest Curo commented on Clem Gerdelmann's blog post 'Solipsist Quakerism'
"Being stuck in the concerns and viewpoint of the 'little-s' self -- a terrible affliction. Knowing the Self that is the true Life inside us, as embodied in everything there is -- quite a different (and Rumier) way to be."
5th month 18
Forrest Curo commented on Doug Bennett's blog post 'More on Evangelicalism, Fundamentalism and the Bible'
"Wasn't this the problem Jesus kept having with the scribes & Pharisees? He kept telling them it was going on right now, in front of them -- and they wanted to know what Authority he was going by... We can always get things wrong... but God…"
5th month 16
Forrest Curo posted a status
""I think if we really were really practicing Quakerism, we would all be these incredible artists, with the Spirit as our muse." Jon Watts"
5th month 14
Forrest Curo replied to Howard Brod's discussion 'Let's Get Real' in the group Liberal Quakers
"We often do have institutional problems with institutional solutions; but this is not what concerns me. We are collectively in the position of the Pharisees under Jesus' criticism: ~"They stand at the door of the Kingdom, neither entering…"
5th month 14
Forrest Curo replied to Mary Linda's discussion 'Quaker books for the poorly educated?'
"#49 Christ in Catastrophe by Emil Fuchs was one of the good ones. Likewise #116 The Candle, The Lantern, The Daylight [and at least one other...?] by Mildred Binns Young. (I'm having trouble accessing their catalog, having to look at…"
4th month 13
David Nelson Seaman replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'the objective Subject whom all true theology is about...'
"Here's a nice ode to God, Forrest:  Our God, To Whom We Turn", by Edard Grubb (1854-1939 )   Our God, to Whom we turn When weary with illusions Whose stars serenely burn Above this earth's confusion, Thine is the…"
3rd month 17
Forrest Curo commented on Doug Bennett's blog post 'Prescribing Versus Seeking: Reader Comments on Creeds'
"Robert Griswold's pamphlet re 'Creeds and Quakers: What's Belief Got to Do With It?' has a considerably different direction of approach. Brief summary: ~ What distinguished the leaders among 'Early Friends' was not a…"
2nd month 16
David Nelson Seaman replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'The Resurrection of Jesus'
"Thank you for your insights, Forrest.   Much of what was attributed as being said by Jesus seems like a retelling of pre-extant wisdom literature that permeated the cultures and faith tradtions in the area of Canaan.  …"
2nd month 12
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'The Resurrection of Jesus'
"Jesus was clearly a 'unitarian' -- that is, Jewish rather than a conventional 'Christian'. But trying to decide which quotes were 'really him' and which were the excesses of later followers is not necessarily as easy as…"
2nd month 12
David Nelson Seaman replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'The Resurrection of Jesus'
"I would like to thank David for bringing up the Jefferson "Bible" and Betsy's repsonse.    Its' essence, consisting of New Testament passages attributed directly to the sayings made only by Jesus, was a…"
2nd month 11
Forrest Curo commented on Jim Wilson's blog post 'The Bible in the 'Guide to True Peace''
"From allusions in the synoptic gospels it looks like Jesus, like other 1st Century Jews,  considered certain apocalyptic works of the time to be 'Scripture'. Or, at least, he assumed that his hearers would recognized and understand…"
2nd month 7
Forrest Curo commented on Lee Nichols's blog post 'worship may be dangerous to our spiritual health.'
"There's much here worth thinking (& praying) about; however it could probably be said more briefly and coherently. I, too, write in an effort to understand certain things better (& hopefully remembering to pray for the right words to…"
1st month 28
Forrest Curo commented on Clem Gerdelmann's blog post 'The Nuts and Bolts of Primitive Christianity'
""Justified" may be read more usefully, not as "vindicated" but as "squared up" -- "fixed." That is, it isn't that we reach a point of all future conduct being automatically okay with God -- but that we…"
1st month 11
Forrest Curo commented on Lee Nichols's blog post 'No easy way to tell a genuinely divine message BBQB III'
"Prophecy is not 'something special about a prophet' but 'something about God': that God is available to those seeking help and understanding. "Words" from God are usually not verbal statements or commands, but events,…"
1st month 8
Forrest Curo commented on Lee Nichols's blog post 'What was once slander is now Quaker practice - BBQB II'
"People who just tell people to be nice aren't worth the wood or the effort. People who point out that we should be nice to Our Evil Enemy because he & we are more alike than we like -- People who challenge the basic fear that keeps everyone…"
1st month 6

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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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"You don't do it through intellectual processes. What you do is you telepathically tap in to the one great world religion,
which is only one,
which has no name,
and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

Stephen Gaskin

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Three Pieces About the Quaker Movement

Posted on 11th mo. 18, 2012 at 12:34am 6 Comments

[I was invited to talk about Quakers for my wife's adult Sunday school class at St Mark's Episcopal Church nearby, which I normally attend on my way to Meeting. What I told them is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge, but is not a description agreed to by any official Quaker body.



This post was short enough to read in the first week's session, together with short portions of George Fox's Journal and Pacific Yearly Meeting's Faith and Practice. The next post…

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Hijacking Friendly Scripture Study

Posted on 5th mo. 31, 2012 at 12:35am 1 Comment

I’m in the process of transferring an old, inherited Bible study blog to wordpress.

That’s Reading The Light Through the Pages. It was started by a Quaker but has always been open to a range of comments and contributors.

As the last active participant from the old site, I intend to aggressively recruit new people, likewise from a wide range, but with the…

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I Wasn't Given

Posted on 5th mo. 27, 2012 at 12:40am 0 Comments

I wasn’t given

a savage tongue

to savage people

but to wake them up

If you’re happy in your nightmare

close your earlids tight because

there’s so much for you

to look forward to.

Progress

is a figment; rationality

is a figment; the Gotcha God

ain’t gonna get you but

the music’s getting scary and

mistakes have been made;

The Judgment is now; settle

out of court; cop a plea;…

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Let Your Life Say What?

Posted on 5th mo. 8, 2012 at 1:38pm 2 Comments

I'm told (via "Quaker Jane") that "Let your lives speak" literally isn't in George Fox's writings.

The well-known example, of phrases that come close, is of course from his Journal. Ironically, it is in a letter he addressed "To Friends in the Ministry."

"...

"Bring all into the worship of God: plow up the fallow ground thresh and get out the corn, that all people may come to…

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State of Society, Minority Report

Posted on 4th mo. 9, 2012 at 12:41am 0 Comments

He told them this parable: "A man had a fig-tree growing in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it, but found none.



"So he said to the vine-dresser, 'Look here! For the last three years I have been looking for fruit on this…
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At 3:56pm on 6th mo. 7, 2012, Andres Omar Ayala said…

Greeting from Paraguay dear friend!

At 3:31pm on 4th mo. 16, 2012, Marcie Tillett said…

Thank you, Forrest, for your well wishes! I am honored to be your friend.

At 2:40pm on 4th mo. 4, 2012, Forrest Curo said…

Why?

My heart has fallen open

to bleed truth.

Already the wound has scabbed over;
already I've almost returned
habitually again wading through universal
sticky wet outpour of normal
life as we do it to ourselves

and I want to know how it happens
that hearts can fall open but
hearts just keep themselves clutched shut
There is so much truth,
so very very very very...

At 12:47pm on 3rd mo. 2, 2012, Forrest Curo said…

"I used to hope that poor people would turn out to be The Good Guys. And then I saw they were playing the same games as everyone else, only for smaller stakes."

   [ a rich contributor to San Diego's 'Street Light' (defunct: 1997-2004)]

At 10:55pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2012, Forrest Curo said…

I am not, like Roger Zelazny's Corwin, "an evil that exists to oppose other evils."

But I do sometimes find myself in such a role, and don't really like it, don't like being conflicted between saying what I know and looking good. Don't like incurring or feeling hostility.

It's possible that the worst effect of poverty is "being subject to definition by the people who relegate you to poverty." True of the "sinners" of Jesus' day, true of that whole US population born into the 60's, true of all the people born since, deprived of real hope by a real, continuing, "closing of the American mind." [That lid didn't just fall; it was slammed.]

Politics and religion can't help but interact. There's a religion-and-politics of forgiveness and healing; there's a religion-plus-politics that prefers to justify the "strong" versus the weak. Probably everyone drifts into that second camp from time to time.

But whether or not Jesus approves me or my ways... We know what side God sent him to uphold.

At 10:59pm on 1st mo. 1, 2012, Forrest Curo said…

...

"Difficulty arises... because we are afraid to let go of what we think we know and be what's left. We're reluctant to ease up on the tight sense of control we exercise over ourselves because life is hard enough as it is. We don't want it any harder. "If I stop controlling myself to be one way rather than another, who knows what might happen? If I let go of every pretense and instead be genuine, things might get worse. Who knows what devil might be lurking in my depths?" But it's also beginning to dawn on us that we have blindly believed false and inaccurate concepts about who we are, and have been ignorant of our true nature until now simply because we've been taught otherwise, and that maybe we're different from what we've thought ourselves to be..."

[Erich Schiffmann, in Yoga: The Spirit and Practice of Moving Into Stillness]

At 11:48am on 9th mo. 2, 2011, Angela Kurkiewicz said…

Thanks for the request!

At 12:31am on 8th mo. 25, 2011, marv ostberg said…
What did I make up?   I used the word rationalization because everyone knows there are risks in helping people so to say something bad could happen is very, very obvious.  So much so that I do not know what else to say, except that I was shocked your father would instruct you that way.  Did he go on to say you should try to help after a reasoned assessment??  You really did not answer my questions about middle ground.  These are not debate points as you suggest.  Life and problems are not  the game you imply.  What exactly do you mean??
At 12:15am on 8th mo. 25, 2011, marv ostberg said…
If the comment about "unnecessary roughness" is meant for me I think you misread me.   For starters what do you mean by that?  I have never been a violent person except for one time a bigger guy knocked me down for no good reason I could see and he was a lot bigger than me.  I got up and punched him in the nose and he quit at that point.  Other than that I merely discuss things.  Yes, I think it in effect catatonic if one will not or cannot act in an emergency because something could go wrong.   Also I think that can be too convenient an excuse to stand by and do nothing.  Yes, I think justifying that inaction because you imply to do otherwise is merely an excuse for violence is making a mighty leap.  That is not what I think at all.   Middle ground is everywhere, but I am not seeing your middle ground - just dichotomies.   Do I misread you? If so clarify by showing me the middle ground you see.   My way of discussing is challenging, but  not mean spirited.   "Rough" maybe, but situations are rough out there and we must find solutions.   If you feel inadequate or fearful I can accept that, but do please clarify.
At 10:37pm on 8th mo. 24, 2011, marv ostberg said…

Forrest I would have loved to discuss that particular rationalization with your father.   Based on that logic most people would never take a chance on helping someone in distress or dying.  Yes, you have to try to size up a situation before you take action.  Common sense tells us that, but if you were t0 say publically, and you more or less are here, that this is the standard that Quakers believe in you would have very, very few supporters.   In fact sometimes you just have to act boldly when the situation is critical even when you have thought it out and are still less than 100% sure.  As of now though, if I would like to have a lively discussion I would call on you; if I were in a desperate situation of life and death I would look way elsewhere.   As for how to help you do this thing of using extremes - discussion or "shoot your way in".   There is certainly middle ground and you need to find it.   Otherwise you are saying that in a desperate situation like present day Somalia, you would be in a catatonic state.  Right now even bringing in  food, water and other necessities is dangerous, more so getting it distributed , and even more so making sure it gets to people who need it.   You need to be good at finding a way to make it happen.  Otherwise I guess we become like those, other than the good Samaritan, who walked on the other side.  Actually the decision to help now is far more desparate and complex than it was in the seemingly straightforward situation the Samaritan found on the side of the road.   In Somalia we are looking at many thousand like the battered man on the side of the rode and many are children and women.   And in Somalia the thieves and batterers are still there to be deal with while we try to help.   Got any thoughts on that.  I do, but will wait to hear a couple thoughts of yours on solution.  This is real life right now close by in time and space where our "neighbor" and brothers and sisters may be half way around the World. 

 
 
 

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