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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Ah. But neither of these factions sound like 'enthusiasts' in the original sense: "c.1600, from Middle French enthousiasme (16c.) and directly from Late Latin enthusiasmus, from Greek enthousiasmos "divine inspiration," from…"
7 hours ago
William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"The Charismatics subscribed to "twice-born" model of religious faith; "ye must be born again."   The opponents were more diverse.  Some were simply secularists; they wanted nothing to do with fervent religion,…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Okay, what would you say that opposition found objectionable?"
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William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"In fact, the last outburst of intense religious enthusiasm occurred in Ohio Yearly Meeting during the late 60s and early 70s when the Charismatic movement spread through much of the native-born membership of the yearly meeting.  It shook things…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'If the mountain won't come to Mohammed, then Mohammed will come to the mountain'
"~"If your way of seeing things leads you to do wrong, get rid of it! If your methods for doing things are doing harm, stop it!" Aramaic, like ancient Hebrew, was a relatively pure language -- based a few concrete root words conceptionally…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
""Running into trouble" is not necessarily a sign of "false leadings," but merely of martyrdom. The fact that Fox was not willing to martyr the whole Quaker movement (which was all too close to that fate at the time) does not…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"It is true people, throughout the history of Quakerism, have used the failings of a few in gathering to excuse and justify the turning from a faith in the sufficiency of the inshining Light of Jesus Christ in itself to guide and government in the…"
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William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Forrest asserted that "having God inside" is the meaning of religious enthusiasm.  I looked up religious enthusiasm on Google, and found this statement from David Lovejoy in *Religious Enthusiasm in the New World* (Harvard U…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Another factor in the widespread condemnation of religious enthusiasm is the fact that illusion and self-deception are often mixed with it. While the human participants in enthusiastic movements and conditions are as mortal and limited in…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"There is "a hard and fast line between outward or expired thoughts and feelings and inspired immanence. The line is in the conscious and conscience of human being. Once inspired or enthused immanence is come into the conscious and conscience,…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
""Religious enthusiasm" means having "God inside." People acting the role of what they imagine that should be like -- can act like bad parodies of themselves. Hence, the use of the term "enthusiasm" pejoratively. But the…"
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William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Forrest wrote: "That is, it's understandable that Meetings institute rules on when and how to prophesy -- but that takes us onto a steeply slippery slope, very likely a factor in that "deadness" Bownas experienced in some of the…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"I believe one reason people muddle their personal thoughts and feelings with the inspirations of God -- is that there really is no hard-&-fast line to be drawn between these, God being immanent in everything as well as transcending all…"
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Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"In the preface of Bownas' A Description of the Qualifications Necessary to a Gospel Minister ... it is written> "But if any should object, "You profess to have the spirit of truth which guideth into all truth," (John. xvi., 1…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"What I read was his journal -- and what most interested me -- though I was also bemused by how vehemently hostile the religious debates of his time seemed to be (There was also a large selection of 17th Century polemic pamphlets, to confirm the…"
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William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"A few comments on Samuel Bownas:  He was part of the movement to suppress the charismatic tendencies of the original generation of Friends.  Samuel Bownas's parents were Friends; he was a second generation Friend. Forrest Curo…"
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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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"You don't do it through intellectual processes. What you do is you telepathically tap in to the one great world religion,
which is only one,
which has no name,
and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

Stephen Gaskin

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Seeking God's Guidance

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2017 at 6:41pm 28 Comments

I first encountered the fact of this in the 1960's, when I was flailing through a life already hijacked by God, reframed by mind-striping drugs, immobilized by conflicting ideas and ideals.

In search of a group I might really belong with, I stayed overnight with people who kept the air thick with pot smoke amid the bewildering sounds of a record I'd never heard of: 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter,' by the Incredible String Band. Among many intricate, confusing lyrics, one mad…

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God As Is

Posted on 3rd mo. 24, 2016 at 1:09pm 0 Comments

Although I believe poetry (and worse) sometimes belongs here, the format-editing capabilities of the site don't lend themselves to proper single-space line divisions,

so here's the link.

http://sneezingflower.blogspot.com/2016/03/god-as-is.html

The Divine Gift of Counterwill

Posted on 2nd mo. 17, 2016 at 1:38am 0 Comments

What Early Friends shared with their Puritan antagonists was a theology in which natural human will was an evil to be overcome. Our own will was innately in rebellion against God -- was capricious, heedless, insatiable -- downright wilful -- and the bulk of George Fox's contemporaries agreed that it could only lead to trouble.

In Puritan systems, not even Jesus could make that will good, but merely achieve posthumous forgiveness for the inevitable lapses.

Quakers objected that…

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Matthew 7.28->

Posted on 11th mo. 7, 2015 at 1:37pm 0 Comments

And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.



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"You will say, 'Christ saith this, and the apostles say this;'…

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Back to that Quaker Scripture Study Blog...

Posted on 5th mo. 11, 2015 at 12:27am 3 Comments

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http://kwakerskripturestudy.blogspot.com/2015/05/resuming-bible-study.html

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For a very long time now I have not been able to see any very good reason to study the Bible. Yes, it's a collection of writings one needs to come to terms with, to account for, to find some meaning in -- but once you have, why read further?



After wrestling with…

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At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Ah. But neither of these factions sound like 'enthusiasts' in the original…"
7 hours ago
William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"The Charismatics subscribed to "twice-born" model of religious faith; "ye must be…"
8 hours ago
Keith Saylor commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"There is "a hard and fast line between outward or expired thoughts and feelings and inspired…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
""Religious enthusiasm" means having "God inside." People acting the role of…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
""Religious enthusiasm" means having "God inside." People acting the role of…"
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William F Rushby commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'Lead, follow or get out of the way'
"When one observes a vehicle headed toward catastrophe, some unsolicited advice seems to be in…"
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William F Rushby commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Seeking God's Guidance'
"Forrest wrote: "That is, it's understandable that Meetings institute rules on when and…"
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James C Schultz commented on Glenn Morison's blog post 'Lead, follow or get out of the way'
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