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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"Well, for sure I'm the sort of 'class-clown' spirit that seemed to push George Fox's buttons. Wasn't very reverent to the Hari Krishnas, either, but they just told me "Krishna is merciful." I like to believe we can…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"Um, you can know Christians by how they all love each other, right? I read that somewhere..."
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"I do not believe that Keith is claiming that Keith Saylor is the Light. As I understand his position, that would be that the Light is speaking the words posted here under the name Keith Saylor. Keith himself doesn't believe that he, personally,…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"Patricia -- As you know, early Friends spent considerable time in jail under suspicion of being Ranters or blasphemers -- because people would scrutinize their words from the assumption that what they were talking about was different from the…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"It isn't that we know ourselves, by one man's witness or another's, to be error free. What we know is that the Life, the Power, the Love that underlies the Creation is available, so that we will not be left in the grip of any…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"The word of God is not what you read in a book about someone else's experience; it is what God tells a person (present tense) whenever they're open to that. If something you've experienced matches someone else's description,…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"I don't know what "there" you're referring to, but God is here -- and if I ask for anything to be clarified, in due course it is: not "however I wish" but however it can best be shown to my admittedly-limited…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"People experience God at work in us in many different ways; and when they take the differences as more significant than God's involvement in the process, that leads to what I'd call a 'satanic' image of God -- an image of God as…"
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The Metaphor is the Meaning

You don't do the Bible, or any human being greater honor, or understand them better, by taking them literally.To take something "metaphorically" doesn't mean that we treat it as just a fluffy literary decoration.In mathematics there's a term for what a metaphor does: it's called "a mapping." A useful metaphor says that one thing has a similar structure to another thing; they behave alike in analogous circumstances. One of them can be taken as a useful hint toward understanding how the other…See More
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"The Bible testifies: that the Earth is flat, and encased in a vast bubble, with waters above and below. But there is also the testimony of Walt Whitman, that I should re-examine all I have been taught at school or church or in any book, and…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"The real question is, "Why do bad things get  perpetuated by good people?" If you took some sayings too literally, you'd have to conclude that"People are naturally bad." But the saying I think really expresses the…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"Patricia, you are quite free to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of loving darkness and hating light. It's an eloquent way to say what you think motivates them; it simply isn't recommended for understanding anybody, yourself…"
5th month 19
Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"Ellis, if you take systemic theologies too literally, they become stumbling blocks. God did not send us a theology book -- or even a theologian, but a prophet, one who realized that what we truly know comes intuitively from God, and spoke that…"
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Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"God's reign has always been established over the Earth; the hard part is for this to become manifest to everyone, while entanglement in worldly ambitions and fears precludes people recognizing the harmony in an order that so often frustrates…"
5th month 17
Forrest Curo commented on Ellis Hein's blog post 'True Christians: How Do You Know Them?'
"So far as I understand this man Jesus rightly, true Christians would presumably not be those making a fuss about "Who is really..." and "Who is not". And those persons who qualify for and receive God's mercy would include…"
5th month 17
Howard Brod replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Falling Asleep In Meeting'
"I have fallen asleep more times than I can remember during worship.  The one time it was embarrassing to me was when I woke myself up while in dream-state because I was snoring loudly.  It was in a typical liberal Quaker meetinghouse…"
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Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
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The Metaphor is the Meaning

Posted on 5th mo. 20, 2017 at 12:33am 0 Comments

You don't do the Bible, or any human being greater honor, or understand them better, by taking them literally.

To take something "metaphorically" doesn't mean that we treat it as just a fluffy literary decoration.

In mathematics there's a term for what a metaphor does: it's called "a mapping." A useful metaphor says that one thing has a similar structure to another thing; they behave alike in analogous circumstances. One of them can be taken as a useful hint toward…

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Truth is a spiritual reality

Posted on 5th mo. 1, 2017 at 3:10pm 4 Comments

The word 'spiritual' gives a lot of people problems, and I'm not going to define it. I'm not even going to claim I understand all that it entails.

But one description that works: "If you can't define something; if you can't reduce it to a combination of some other categories or interactions between them" -- words like say, Truth, Beauty, Love and the like come to mind --

then it very likely is spiritual.

Friends have a lot of trouble with the word 'Truth' anymore. It…

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The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma

Posted on 4th mo. 4, 2017 at 10:06am 1 Comment

If a Meeting takes a stand on any significant issue whatsoever it excludes (and temporarily alienates) people who see the matter otherwise.

If a Meeting can not take a stand on matters causing great suffering (and there is always disagreement about these, or someone would have simply corrected them) we seem to fall short of a basic Christian duty.

A possible resolution to this might look like what we did (as I heard it) with the Quaker House in Ulster. Of two warring groups,…

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Truth and vs Love Among Us

Posted on 3rd mo. 26, 2017 at 9:00am 0 Comments

[Thanks to C. Wess Daniels for the nudge!]

People have come to think of a concern for ideas as pathological.

When ideas come to matter more to us than our love for each other, it is pathological.

But people die when the ideas they love and the truths they live under fail to match; bad ideas can kill people as surely as intentional violence.

We have got to resolve our differences; we have truly got to resolve our differences — not smooth them over, not crush them…

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Seeking God's Guidance

Posted on 2nd mo. 11, 2017 at 6:41pm 35 Comments

I first encountered the fact of this in the 1960's, when I was flailing through a life already hijacked by God, reframed by mind-striping drugs, immobilized by conflicting ideas and ideals.

In search of a group I might really belong with, I stayed overnight with people who kept the air thick with pot smoke amid the bewildering sounds of a record I'd never heard of: 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter,' by the Incredible String Band. Among many intricate, confusing lyrics, one mad…

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At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

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