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Open to New Light

Started this discussion. Last reply by James C Schultz on 3rd day (Tue). 3 Replies

I have picked up a new…Continue

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Abandonment to Divine Providence

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The Divine action continues to write in the hearts of men the work begun by the holy Scriptures, but the characters made use of in this writing will not be visible till the day of…Continue

Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification

Started this discussion. Last reply by James C Schultz 2nd month 14. 19 Replies

As many as resist not this Light, but receive the same, it becomes in them a holy, pure, and spiritual birth, bringing forth holiness, righteousness, purity, and all those other blessed fruits, which…Continue

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David McKay replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"An interesting observation Forrest. You are likely right — though I might qualify it a bit as I don't think it's the whole story. Of course, in the spirit of Jesus direction regarding dust motes and log beams, the next obvious…"
2nd month 15
David McKay replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"There is actually very little need for you to be sorry that I "must deal with a disability". I acquired the disability in utero — so really have very little experience of not being disabled. And in fact people have a better than…"
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Abandonment to Divine Providence

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James C Schultz replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"Fervency is essential in life as well as in prayer (Jas_5:16  Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. )  Life itself is in some…"
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Forrest Curo replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"What I left out in my last reply: This world is supposed to become "as it is in Heaven."We're supposed to pray for that; and when we pray for what God intends, it won't be in vain. That is, it's about learning to love people…"
2nd month 14
David McKay commented on James C Schultz's blog post 'Common Sense'
"I must admit I've never tried this practice. I've always found the stories of scripture more interesting than the aphorisms. But it may be helpful at some point. Your decision to add a scripture to your letterhead as a witness and how the…"
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James C Schultz replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"I'm beginning to enjoy this. What Forest says is right on: "What it's really good for is:  sending us lots of nasty challenges useful for grinding off our human rough edges" It's not about evil and good. …"
2nd month 12
David McKay replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"And if all we are seeking by moving onto the next level is to avoid the suffering of this level? Then we haven't learned the lesson needed to move on (says your Buddhist/Hindu friends)."
2nd month 12
Forrest Curo replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
""And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them." "and clothed them" would be a parallel poetic line, not necessarily anything that happens next. Those garments would most naturally be what He…"
2nd month 12
David McKay replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"And Wesley stole his doctrine from Barclay.I guess I just haven't been fortunate enough to run into any real hard-core Calvinists — well a few — and at least one of them was quite ecumenical and quite charitable and a pacifist to…"
2nd month 12
David McKay replied to Daniel Wilcox's discussion 'Why I Strongly Disagree with Micah Bales' article that all humans are "depraved"'
"As a person living with a disability the word "perfect" is a trigger word for me. But I allowed George Fox and Berkeley to own their own language here. I am not ready to say George Fox was "mistaken" — only that I am not…"
2nd month 12
David McKay replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"So you consider "The Fall" to be a fall from the spiritual into the material? If I'm reading you right — essentially follow the Gnostic interpretations of scripture. I consider pretty much everything in the first 11 chapters of…"
2nd month 12
James C Schultz replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"Your understanding of when the body came into existence is consistent with probably everyone else's but mine.   I don't believe the body came into existence until verse 3:21.   That's why my friends don't take…"
2nd month 12
James C Schultz replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"I agree with all my heart.  A big advantage of knowing the Christian story is there's less anxiety and fear that you are going crazy. :) "Barclay takes great pains to contend that the redeeming Light is present in all of us calling…"
2nd month 12
James C Schultz replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"God made man in His image.  The Soul is thus a triune being.  Personally I believe it consists of the Mind, the heart and the spirit.  But that's just my understanding that works for me in finding unity in the books of the…"
2nd month 12
Forrest Curo replied to David McKay's discussion 'Apology for True Christian Divinity: Proposition 7 Concerning Justification'
"Suppose that the soul returns to God for possible recycling -- but that being "saved" comes down to something like saving a file? I remember one time asking God, how come I don't remember anything about past lives? What came in…"
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early Quaker grammar

Posted on 8th mo. 14, 2016 at 9:00am 6 Comments

I find myself working with a George Fox tract, "To All That Would Know the Way to the Kingdom" (p 15 GF Works, volume 4).

Parked in the very first paragraph we find three (3) direct citations of scripture:  John 3:3-8, Revelation 1:9 & Colossians 1:13. Here's something that jumps out at me: he introduces the gospel passage with "Christ saith" but Revelation with "John the divine said" and Colossians with "the apostle said". "Said" is universal past tense of "to say" but "saith"…

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I would seem to be returning to blogging...

Posted on 5th mo. 21, 2016 at 9:00am 0 Comments

I have been actively absent from the blogosphere for some time now. Back in the ancient of days I had a quite sustained blog presence. I have from time to time returned to blogging but each time I have faltered and left again.

I think a big part of this is my awareness of how very public the space is with a very narrow audience. Blogs take a while to take off and most do not cultivate a massive following. Meanwhile what you say and do here is publicly accessible. My attempts to do a…

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Convergent Model of Renewal

Posted on 4th mo. 24, 2016 at 9:28pm 2 Comments

I have been reading an e-book called "Convergent Model of Renewal".

As I understand it thus far, the future of Quakerism is a kind of hybrid of Episcopalian, liberation theologian and furry cosplayer.

Mind you, this is probably the most hopeful suggestion I have heard in years...

Receive the Holy Spirit

Posted on 4th mo. 3, 2016 at 9:30am 1 Comment

I will be playing the hireling minister at our local United Church this morning. So for those who object to prepared sermons I apologize now. I'm posting the text in part because I think it speaks to the character of our religious experiences somewhat and so may be of interest to some.

Now our Bibles are whole libraries of stories stretching across thousands of years of storytelling and seasoned liberally with poems, and laws, regulations and promises. But in case you…

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