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Kirby Urner commented on Chaplain Stogumber's blog post 'Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?'
"I enjoy the perspective of Quakerism as business friendly, as clearly, based on its jargon, it's business oriented through and through. Yet I think of Quakers today as stereotypically more likely public librarians, school teachers and/or social…"
1st month 16
Keith Saylor commented on Chaplain Stogumber's blog post 'Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?'
"Eratta - Ana spurs = Anabaptists Both instead of but in the next Sentence."
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Keith Saylor commented on Chaplain Stogumber's blog post 'Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?'
"I enjoyed this. Thankfully, we are not limited to the dynamic reflected here. I do not see much of a difference between identification with, and being guided and informed by, outward ideas openly professed and ideas not specifically attached to a…"
1st month 13
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Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?

As I say sometimes, I am "not literal enough to be a Mennonite" and "not liberal enough to be a Quaker".I suppose that this is partly a matter of class consciousness. I have grown up in a small village where most men were industrial workers (with some additional farming) and even if  I am lazy by nature I have internalized the small people work ethics.Now, Anabaptism is historically a religion of (and for) farmers and craftsmen. The good side of that: They have still some yeomen's insticts:…See More
1st month 13
Chaplain Stogumber replied to Chris Marcus's discussion 'Quakers featured in novels'
""Moby Dick": I suppose that Quakers did own the whaling business, but  were too refined to work on the ships, so Ahab, Bildad etc. are no Quakers. James Michener: "Texas" gives a good and rather critical account of a young…"
1st month 13
Chaplain Stogumber replied to James C Schultz's discussion 'God's will or mine'
"My personal experience is: to cling to the darkness. Darkness is real, it is always there for  us. Light is, at first, a mere vague promise. If we patiently wander through our personal darkness, there will be some light at the end, and we will…"
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Chaplain Stogumber replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Is Outreach a Class Issue? A Poverty Issue, Even?'
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Chaplain Stogumber replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Is Outreach a Class Issue? A Poverty Issue, Even?'
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7th month 16, 2016
Chaplain Stogumber replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Is Outreach a Class Issue? A Poverty Issue, Even?'
"It is quite correct that early quakerdom was enthusiastic (more like popular pentecostalism), but then, early quakerdom was rather unspecific. It needed time to find its particular style in worship, like it needed  time to find its particular…"
7th month 16, 2016
Chaplain Stogumber commented on Darrin S.'s blog post 'Even maligning white people and culture is white supremacy'
"Darrin, there are a few things which are objectively better than others. Which means that they are generally liked, even by non-whites, and that without much proselytizing, pressure or indoctrination. That said, I support your case for cultural…"
7th month 16, 2016
Chaplain Stogumber commented on Darrin S.'s blog post 'A SHOCKING ALLEGATION'
"Imho a "marketplace of ideas" does not imply that everyone has to market aggressively for everyone to buy just his own product. Quakers could be completely at ease with selling a niche product to a minority of consumers. The problem is not…"
7th month 16, 2016
Chaplain Stogumber replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Is Outreach a Class Issue? A Poverty Issue, Even?'
"Quaker worship style is not for everyone. It's for the quiet, the introverted and in a way the more intelligent (them being more skeptical w.r.t. to emotional impulses). That said, Quakers should at first concentrate on keeping their members,…"
7th month 16, 2016

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Retired media archivist, 64, not enough liberal to be a Quaker, not enough literal to be a Mennonite. Mostly a withdrawalist: People ought to withdraw from the world and (if they prefer) withdraw from each other and Christians ought to help them with this.

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Rambling: Quaker or Anabaptist? A matter of class?

Posted on 1st mo. 13, 2018 at 8:42am 3 Comments

As I say sometimes, I am "not literal enough to be a Mennonite" and "not liberal enough to be a Quaker".

I suppose that this is partly a matter of class consciousness. I have grown up in a small village where most men were industrial workers (with some additional farming) and even if  I am lazy by nature I have internalized the small people work ethics.

Now, Anabaptism is historically a religion of (and for) farmers and craftsmen. The good side of that: They have still some…

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