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Plainness & Simplicity

Some Friends have recently been dubbed the "New Plain" for their experimentation with Quaker plainness and simplicity. Tag: plain

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Plain Links

The New Plain, a 2004 essay by Rich the "Brooklyn Quaker" that used the term to describe a new wave of plain dressing Quaker bloggers. Quaker Jane has become the best source of information on the why's and how's of this new wave of plain dressing Friends.

QuakerQuaker's Plain Resources page has a longer list of quotes and links about plainness.

Plain Friends Page, a wonderful collection of essays on plainness from Crossroads Friends Meeting in Michigan.

Quaker Discussion Forum

Karen Mercer

How much clothing matters 4 Replies

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Margaret Banford

headcovering? 29 Replies

Started by Margaret Banford. Last reply by Paula McConnell 1st month 25.

Barbara Smith

Needing to "explain" your plain 4 Replies

Started by Barbara Smith. Last reply by Paula McConnell 1st month 25.

Barbara Smith

source of fair traded fabric? 5 Replies

Started by Barbara Smith. Last reply by Paula McConnell 1st month 25.

Barbara Smith

Self-image, simplicity and change 5 Replies

Started by Barbara Smith. Last reply by Alice M Yaxley 1st month 14.

Featured Blog Posts on Plainness

'The Good Tree's Fruit'

The Good Tree's Fruit A Pennsylvania German translation of the 'Good Tree, good fruit' scripture -Matthew 7:17

Having Peace through Love

 In the midst of the many conflicts of life, the human heart often cries out for the peace it desires,  peace and rest from the struggles and trials experienced by so many on a daily basis.


The human mind deals with the lack of peace in one’s life in various ways.  Some people strike out in anger and force in an effort to demand peace.  Some people withdraw into solitude to effect peace by their absence from the struggle.  Others strive to intervene with words and philosophy to enlighten combatants to the merits of peace. However humans respond to conflict and the absence of peace, we all have one thing in common, the desire for peace.

Over the centuries, humans have engaged in religious and social issue conflicts, robbing the peace of many. The Scripture has been used and misused so many times to justify wars and persecutions of others, so much so, that many today have left off using them as a standard for truth in general. There is political and social peace that is created outwardly and tangibly by secular agreements, but real peace in humanity can only be had inwardly within the spiritual realm of the soul.

The Psalmist speaks of this ‘Great Peace’ in Ps. 119:165 when he writes, ‘Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.’


So many social and political problems in society seem to necessitate physical and tangible solutions, but how much peace, or great peace could be had if those in conflict were to focus on loving the law of God? This, at first glance, might seem over-pious and too religiously zealous for the stomachs of many secularized peoples, but if the Psalmists injunction were to be taken seriously, even starting with one individual in a community, how much difference could this really make?


I believe by faith that if an individual would truly follow the teachings of Jesus Christ with their whole heart, great peace can be achieved in this life and in the one to come.


Jesus taught a reverence for the Law of God, he spoke always of doing the ‘will of the Father’ and yet we who claim to be ‘Christians’ so often get caught up with trying to effect peace in our own ways.
What about loving our neighbour as ourself?  I for one, am certainly guilty many times over of letting myself not be as kind, or loving, or patient with others as I would prefer to have them treat me…. Perhaps humanity would be greater served by hearing the teachings of Jesus regarding peace and what the Scriptures have to say about having it, rather than all the efforts that are made socially and politically?  Certainly there are merits in some social and political advocacy, but should not the primary focus of Christians be to witness to the testimony of peace that can only truly be had through loving the law of Christ in obedience? Many bristle at the word obedience today because it reminds them of harsh conformity to order and somehow insinuates lack of freedom of expression or spirit.  However, history clearly shows that the endurance of principles has always been amongst those committed to their obedience.


I certainly do not have all the answers to the world’s social and political problems.  I do not claim to be able to repair broken family relationships, or heal nations economic and social concerns, but I do believe in the power of the witness of truth through the Holy Spirit. If just one person can be genuinely encouraged to take a stand for peace, others will be strengthened to follow.


I hope that in these coming days, I might be mindful to hear the Spirits wooing and heed the teachings of Christ more fully to be strengthened to stand in the love of the Law of God, His Truth, so that great peace will be had and shared in my life and the lives I touch.
May we be encouraged in the Light.

Peace and Blessings,

Joseph Stalnaker


How Do You Know You're Worldly? (QQ Discussion)

I dress "modern Plain" still but I like music like some Lady GaGa and such. I'm a big fan of action movies from the 80s until now, and really enjoy watching tv.When I was a fundie you had a person telling you what was worldly and what wasn't. I am kind of lost with what is "worldly". Is it on a personal level different for everyone?

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Coming Out

Did I get your attention with that title? Well, attention-getting hasn't ever been my strong suit. Especially when that suit is a plain dress, often an apron, and covering. Before I get so long-winded that my tongue wraps around my eye teeth and I can't see what I'm saying, let me begin at a beginning.

I'm a Quaker by convincement, although currently not a member anywhere. After a Church of Christ and Baptist upbringing, I spent my adult years jumping from church to church like they were lilly-pads in the religion pond. At times, my disappointment has caused me to conclude that there are no groups which accurately portray what I feel like a Christian should portray. Which was sort of okay because I didn't either.

I've always subscribed to a simple witness (though I didn't know it as a witness exactly). I grew up in the era of John Denver and a president who wore sweaters on TV. I was as granola as they came. I purchased a book called "Taking Charge" by the Simple Living Collective AFSC and signed The Shakertown Pledge in the back. I took seriously it's admonishments to right livelihood and world citizenship. My simple journey has led me to forego traditional Christmas celebrations (I used to apologize to the trees our family cut for it). My big holiday is Thanksgiving, which I plan to take back from Corporate America as merely the kick-off to the Christmas consumer blitzkreig.

I recently packed up my world clothes in a suitcase under the bed and have 4 plain dresses, a couple of aprons and one lonely black bonnet which have been nagging me from their hangers for about 3 years now. I kept thinking about it and had ordered up a few plain things hoping the "urge" would subside. Which it would...only to resurface with more voice the next time. My "going plain" has been a process of unfoldment as I gradually have understood more and more about the discipline.

So this post is me standing in meeting and saying that I'm now plain. My ego/"personality" still balks at wearing these plain things even while the small voice encourages me. I never was much of what my mother called "a clothes horse" but this plain thing has been a trial. It strikes at the heart of some of my most sincere and carefully nourished insecurities about approval and not being different, but I have faith that obedience yields its perfect fruit.

So, yeah, I'm out of the closet now.

Audio: Simplicity, Integrity, Clarity: What is Plain Speech Today?

Listen to: Simplicity, Integrity, Clarity: What is Plain Speech Today?


A panel presentation for Pacific Northwest Quarterly Meeting on 4/16/2011, emceed by Western Friend's Kathy Hyzy, with Stephen Dotson and Martin Kelley appearing over the internet.

Queries and topics addressed include:

  • What does ‘plain speaking’ mean to you?
  • Is using technology a violation of the simplicity testimony?
  • How is “the publishing of truth” changing over time? What trends do you see?
  • What fosters integrity and clarity in communication among Friends? 
  • Are Friends positioning themselves to take advantage of the opportunities that new media present?
  • How does this relate to meetings and to Quaker organizations? To committees?

Quakergirl: Jesus’ Fashion Statement!

God has given us beautiful clothes to dress in. He does care about the way His wife (church) dresses, and the way he wants us to dress is in good deeds by showing love to one another so that everyone will know who we are (John 13:35). The way we dress people know who we are. Quakers for example adopted the plain dress form of dressing but their reasons for dressing this way went further ahead than just trying to be distinguished among society. Quakers dressed this way for equality reasons. God also wants the world to know who we are, but not the way we usually think about it because God has bigger plans for us.

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Abbey Pratt-Harrington: Re-examining Friends’ Testimony of Plain Speech in Whittier, California

Most convinced Friends seem to come to Quakerism for peace issues. This man had found Quakers while studying languages. In Spanish there still is a formal and informal way to address people and (from my limited understanding) it has to do with social class. This gentleman did not like this distinction and wondered why it existed, so he started to study languages/the history of languages. Somehow, he ran across the story of the Quakers who refused to follow this distinction in English. This got him interested in who the Quakers were and eventually brought him to this community in Whittier.

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Clio on QQ: Plain Teenager: Perfectly Possible :)

My parents accidentally sent me to a liberal Friends summer camp not expecting me to come back hungry for faith. I missed having meeting every day. I missed the peace I felt in the meeting circle and the connection to God I found there. I used to go during free time to re-center myself and to seek a feeling I got during meeting. The best way to describe it to another person is that I was getting a hug from the Holy Spirit.

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Helen Gibbs: - finding a way to do this as a modern Plain

I've always kept a version of modern plain, being someone who has short hair, very seldom wears makeup, having a relativly small range of clothes in my wardrobe. I am sensing a calling to start head-covering. My own meeting will ask why but not be overly concerned. My boyfriend who also dresses a version of modern plain and always wears a hat outside will see no issue. What I am struggling with is how I will deal with this in my work-life.

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"Plain Dress November" on Facebook

"Plain Dress November" on Facebook. Keeping with Friends' testimony of simplicity I thought it would be a neat idea if we take the month of november to reflect on our personal ideas about simplicity and plain dress.

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Aglican, Plain on the cost of Plain

A thread came up on facebook about the cost of dressing Plain, in the traditional sense, with Plainers, modest dressers and traditional Quakers chiming in. Is it expensive to dress Plain?

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Plain on the Outside, Fancy Underneath



On Tuesday afternoon, while returning from an errand, I stopped briefly at Union Station here in DC to get some lunch. Union Station has long been a busy depot by which rail and bus traffic arrives and departs, and it also serves as a rail and bus stop for area public transportation. With the passage of time, part of the inside of the terminal has been transformed into a shopping mall of sorts, which frequently satiates the boredom of tourists and passengers. Predictably, it also houses a Victoria’s Secret.

While walking by on my way from somewhere else, I noticed, much to my amazement, two plain dress women inside, apparently shopping for fancy underthings. They were plain Mennonites, which was confirmed by the bonnets they wore on their heads and their single-shade pocketless dresses. It was my understanding that, due to their religious beliefs, anything ornate or showy was not allowed, yet both of these women clutched in their hands what looked like several pairs of underwear and lingerie, evidently desiring to purchase them. Intrigued, I consulted a fellow Friend (Quaker) who keeps plain dress herself, in the hopes of getting some answers.

Her guess was that the women weren’t really supposed to be buying fancy undergarments. She informed me how in some Amish communities, even little things like hem length and width are dictated by community rules. This was interesting to me on many levels, especially when I recognized that a great diversity of views exist regarding plain dress. We seem to think that all plain people dress the same, and this simply isn’t the case. Each community dictates its own specific rules regarding manner of dress. My friend's community of plain people has a very different set of guidelines than other communities in the area.

But back to underwear. The Friend’s opinion was that it’s hard to enforce rules for clothing that can’t be seen, particularly intimate apparel. This is probably much of the appeal. Amish and plain Mennonites have their lives governed by a lot of rules, women even more so. That this might be their way to push back in rebellion against legalistic restrictions towards group conformity I found fascinating to contemplate. Perhaps it’s also a way to assert one’s individuality and in so doing buy something private, just for the self. The Friend added that she has read stories of women living in Afghanistan buying fancy shoes because everything else is supposed to be covered, feet being the one place on the body where they feel they can truly express themselves.

In some ways, though we consider ourselves individuals with individual rights, we’re also told precise ways to conform. Women certainly have their lives governed by lots of rules, a reality which manifests itself all over the place. Most women in this society may not have to obsess about the length of a hem, but they’ll certainly obsess about beauty products and the demands of seeming flawless. I daresay many reading this post probably own fancy undergarments, at least by plain standards.

Now for something completely different. If you, readers, could come up with your own form of rebellion against the exacting rules that take so much energy and time out of your life, what would it be? What would it look like?

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Meg Hill-Grigson Comment by Meg Hill-Grigson on 7th mo. 21, 2011 at 12:58pm
I'm still at the figuring out how I am going to be simple stage. I haven't moved to the plain stage (and am not sure I am led to - at least not yet). However - reading all the posts here are a HUGE help in my journey of discernment so I really thank everyone for being so very up front and open. If I were to become plain I think my meeting would be very supportive of it. I would not be the first or only person who would be dressing in a plain manner - but ironically enough - I would be the first woman! Thank you all for your help and wisdom. I am going to keep reading and keep being simple - even if not yet plain! ; )
Paula Roberts Comment by Paula Roberts on 7th mo. 20, 2010 at 10:00am
One of the things I've changed is where I get most of my clothes. Underwear is still coming from commercial sources, but I have found an excellent seamstress in Katie's Mercantile http://www.katiesmercantile.com/index.html They have made slips, skirts, caps, snoods, and jumpers for me. The jumpers have been extremely versatile - appropriate for walking the dog, running errands, and probably when the semester starts, appropriate for teaching. They also make flannel shirts and petticoats and slip dresses. I anticipate ordering some flannel slip dresses so that I can wear my skirts in the winter.

The conversation has helped me remember a couple of other changes I've made along this same route. Versatility has become really important to me. For example, I have a soap that I use to wash dishes, wash floors, and can use to wash laundry. I've become friends with borax and white vinegar for household cleaning. I have a body soap that works as a body wash, shampoo, hand wash and dog wash!

So I guess sourcing and versatility have become very important to me on this Plain journey.
Javaughn Fernanders Comment by Javaughn Fernanders on 7th mo. 20, 2010 at 9:47am
Thank you Paula. I am trying to do a few things.
Become a better steward of my time and money by purchasing less clothes, even gleaning what I have.

Next, finding clothing that is not made by child labor or unfair practices.

Reflect my commitment to the testimonies of simplicity, and equality.
Therefore, my request is a practical one. I guess I want to know where people are with their simple dress (which is more what I am trying to do). Does one consider it simple to have one plain skirt then just wash it more frequently or have a few, and wash less. Yep, I'm just juggling these thoughts around and around as I take boxes of clothes to Goodwill.

I appreciate your post and am contemplating it as well.
Paula Roberts Comment by Paula Roberts on 7th mo. 20, 2010 at 9:23am
I know for me going plain was full of traps and pitfalls. For example, I am very type A and it was easy to find myself going plain with plainness as the goal instead of the state of mind I sought. I think it is easy to get to that place where, for example, you are patriotic because you have a flag on your car. No doubt you gave patriotism a great deal of thought, but ended up buying yourself patriotic (the flag) instead of having a real change of your state of mind. Having established that this is a caution I write from a purely personal point of view, beware of trying to meet the criteria of plainness with the right colors, or the right number of items in your wardrobe, and thereby losing sight of the goal. Plainness, I have found, is much more about the journey than the destination.
Liz W Comment by Liz W on 7th mo. 20, 2010 at 8:36am
Yes, that makes sense! Glad you found the ideas useful.
Javaughn Fernanders Comment by Javaughn Fernanders on 7th mo. 20, 2010 at 8:25am
thanks you Liz, that is so helpful. Especially the idea about the color palette. If I keep to a simple palette then I can actually match more things with less (if that makes sense).
Liz W Comment by Liz W on 7th mo. 20, 2010 at 7:49am
Javaughn, I think how many pieces of clothing you need depends very much on (a) what range of activities you do that may require specialist clothes (or have a dress code that you are prepared to confirm to) and (b) how often you're able to do laundry. For instance, I need a professional wardrobe (I'm a lawyer) and one that is suitable for messier activities like gardening, cooking and hiking; I also swim, dance and do yoga. On top of that, I need somewhat different items in summer and winter because the range of seasonal temperatures in the UK is quite wide. I'm out most weekday evenings, and once or twice a year I'm travelling without access to laundry facilities for a week. In addition, I am disabled.

All of that means I end up needing quite a lot of items. I do try to keep it to a minimum by focusing on a limited colour palette (blacks, other neutrals and blues); that does help a bit, but laundry time is the real constraint. From experience, I find that in order to reliably not run out of stuff without running myself ragged trying to keep up, I need 8-9 of things like underwear and base layers that I typically want to change every day, and 2-3 of things that I wear less often or can wear several days in a row. There are a very few specialist things that I only need one of.

Most people will have their own special factors along these lines, so it's difficult to lay down general guidelines. But I think a sensible aim is to always have something to hand that you can wear without too much fuss, including something you can change into if you spill something on your outfit or tear it on something or whatever. So for a hypothetical person who can wear the same wardrobe for work and leisure, doesn't need specialist stuff and is never more than a day or two from being able to do laundry, I'd say the sensible starting-point would be three of everything - one on, one in the laundry and one spare in case something happens to the one they're wearing. Since most people aren't that hypothetical person, add one for each extra day between laundry loads (or each extra 2-3 days for things that can be worn several days in a row), multiply by the number of different wardrobes that you regularly need for work/leisure/climate reasons etc, then add in specialist or more rarely-worn items.
Javaughn Fernanders Comment by Javaughn Fernanders on 7th mo. 19, 2010 at 10:13pm
Hello,
not going completely plain, but trying not to purchase anymore clothing for a long while. So spiritually simple or something...

I have a question. Those of you who are plain, how many of each thing do you have. I'm gleening and trying to figure out if I need 2 or 5 pairs of pants and so on. Let me know, give me some tips.
Helen Bayes Comment by Helen Bayes on 6th mo. 29, 2010 at 6:30pm
Just joined simply because this is where I am now. Have given up fancying my outward appearance (double meaning intended). I'm seeing it as a move to plain rather than adopting a form of simple.
Paula Roberts Comment by Paula Roberts on 6th mo. 8, 2010 at 3:07pm
I've been a Friend attender for years and am now making the change to Friend member. I've been reading alot about plainness and simplicity. Just some weeks ago I'd dismissed simplicity as the least applicable testimony to modern times only to be laid low by stress and overwork. Some strong testimonies in meeting made me realize that the opposite is true, at least for me. Simplicity is my struggle. I have been dressing relatively modestly for a long time. It's been years since I've even contemplated a bathing suit or a short skirt. I bought skorts for exercise/running and wore them only a few times. For me it was a matter of comfort. I do wear long skirts - I have found them appealing for a very long time. I have never seen them as some conscious movement towards plainness, but a choice from aesthetics and comfort. I do wear pants, but even here the pants are loose cargo-style, again for comfort. I am from the West Indies and therefore given to color!

But that is really beside the point. Plainness for me is a struggle not to obsess about the future, not to be caught up in social expectations for work and ambition. What do I mean? I worked in a job that made me crazy for a long time until I was laid off. This forced me to make a change I had been afraid to. All along I taught university part time, but was afraid to give up the certainty of a steady paycheck for the uncertainty of adjunct work. Having been forced to the change I came to recognize what made me happy and content - having time at home to myself, having time to walk the dog, work in the garden, etc. I felt the path. And then this spring I took on far too many classes to the point that I was living on caffeine and little sleep in order to keep up, and have not written anything in my dissertation for about a month. It took heart palpitations to realize I was back to the mess, right back off the path, right back to working myself sick.

I think I need a reminder of what I know is important and what I know is not important for me. Perhaps that is why the Simplicity testimony so resonates with me right now. I need tools to be more aware of my own state of mind, an early warning when I am straying from the path. What is important to me; what has improved my emotional health includes making bread, cooking from scratch, raising my garden, reading, exercise, attending Meeting. Paying attention to plainness and simplicity speaks to my condition of late.

I am trying to understand what is going on with me at this time. I feel called to pay more attention to what resonates in me as a Friend.

Thanks.
 

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