Primitive Christianity Revived, Again
[One of us] has proposed studying the Prophets for awhile. I want to continue with Luke meantime, but I hope we can combine both.
First person I've heard give a talk, who talks worse than I do... but he says some stuff. I wish my library had the guy's book.
How do you deal with that last question?
God continues to "do terrible things today." Most of them are "our own damned fault." The victims, as Jesus said, being generally no worse than the rest of us!
I'm open to the writers of the Bible having misunderstood some of God's intentions-- as again, people continue to do today.
It looks like God used an originally narrow and 'nationalistic' religion-- as religions tended to be in those days (unlike that of our modern televangelist types) to lead people, eventually, towards something more humane. (Some of the stories we have of those genocidal times, by the way, are the product of bloodthirsty priestly scribes, long after their purported dates, who would be just as inept at whacking their heathen neighbors with bronze swords as any of our contemporary equivalents.)
What I know of psychedelic use back in my own day... is that some people picked up a very pure message, but most of us got it distorted by who we were and what we wanted.
This is not an entirely coherent book, more of an example of how different sacred legends were later pasted together, leaving more than a few inconsistencies.
Having had my share of bad trips... all I can say is, they did not incline me to prophecizing, let along make me "an influential prophet."
If someone was highly aware, they could sometimes get some enlightenment out of that kind of experience-- largely about, "What am I doing wrong that's making this happen?!" Most of us just suffered horribly until it was at last over.
For someone who thinks of 'a prophetic state' as merely a sort of intoxication affecting one, isolated individual, your question would make sense.
From my standpoint-- that a true "prophecy" is a message from a transcendent Reality, filtered through the mind of the most appropriate individual available, but still an expression of an underlying truth, your question is simply inapplicable.
What mayhem is resulting from the prevailing "normality"? With how much more to come, plus interest?!
I am aware that this is not the main point but I get interested in odd bits. The phrase to "...go in and out before me..." or "...go in and out before My annointed..." caught my attention. Does this describe the typical activityof Priests?
I find the explanation that the word of the Lord was rare in those days reassuring. If we experience a lack of prophesy it is not the first time. Are there other places in prophets where comments like this were made about the frequency of prophesy in that time?
That "My anointed" does seem to indicate that the story was written later, after there's a monarchy.
Yes, about priests. The temples of the time were typically not places for mass gatherings, but for sacrifices & mediated dealings with God. Even a king would have the priest "go in and out" for him.
I forget who said it, that in the 20th Century many people thought that God had become silent, and turned away-- because they had turned away from God.
Our need may not be for "prophets", or anyone to "go in or out" for us... I know, the human world looks very lost-- but given a prophet, would we follow? I'm thinking we need to go to the Source together, so that everyone can be our own and each other's prophets, and know what to believe from inside. Starting to do that, maybe?
Eli, whose eyesight had begun to grow dim, so that he could not see, was lying down in his own place; the lamp of God had not yet gone out; and Samuel was lying down within the Temple of the Lord, where the ark of God was.
Then the Lord said to Samuel, "Behold, I am about to do a thing in Israel, at which the ears of everyone who hears it will tingle. On that day I will fulfil against Eli all that I have spoken concerning his house, from beginning to end. And I tell him that I am about to punish his house forever, for the iniquity which he knew, because his sons were blaspheming and he did not restrain them. Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be expiated by sacrifice or offering forever."
What kind of God is this? What kind of people first tell this story? What can it mean to us today beyond: "We are very different now."?